and you shed tears on the way there

Socrates: Now you've done it. He'll start stamping his feet in a tantrum. Grim, put us all on ignore please. This forum would be a better place if you did.

It looks as if Ustica has affected you emotionaly on this checkers website Mr. Trice. You're acting like a child - Obviously your statements aren't important to other brainking players. You don't see us agreeing with and encouraging your statements.

Purple: Not so! I'm awful at poker! Than again I'm not so great at checkers either..!!

harley: Ladies are better at poker. LOL

Gentlemans?!

Socrates: Thanks for the echo..this is what I have been trying to say. Maybe not clear enough. Checkers is supposed to be a gentleman's game. I understand the frustration of not winning but that does not justify personal attacks.

Please leave all accusations of cheaters to yourself. It's just online checkers anyways - just for fun.

you know why you can t win?
becose you let your stupid programs move for you.
this is my 2 cents.

Grim Reaper: What seems bizzare to me is that in head to head meetings that someone who has beaten Alex the world's champion and has thousands of dollars worth of program equipment can do no better than draw Ustica..then not only looks for excuses but questions the integrity of other players. You are not discussing checkers but people's character. So please stick to checkers.

John Baker: Also Pinchito is under no obligation to explain any moves he makes or doesn't make. I don't even know if he speaks English. He beat me..no big deal..but he lost to Ruffian. Who the heck is Ruffian? Again, completed game analysis is welcome..you can even say someone made a dumb move as long as no one implies that the person is dumb or that they are being dishonest. This is not rocket science. For all the "genius" claimed by some people the stark fact remains..they can't beat Ustica.

Grim Reaper: I think you expect too much out of players. I've played pinchitos a few times and he's good, but he's not a master. I don't recognize the position you reference as a winning one and I don't expect he would have either. I saw a couple moves where I would have done something different, but I still haven't seen the game get thrown away. Maybe you're way too advanced for us Grim. They should make a special forum just for you, so you can have an outlet for your accusations.
Oh, and by the way, Ustica is "supposed" to win. lol
John Baker

Then he could always pass it along through a global! :o)

harley: Fencer might have Grim on his block list after too many complaining emails. lol

Grim Reaper: Purple is right, if you have any accusations of cheating its best sent to Fencer rather than put on a public board to blacken the name of a possibly innocent person.

Grim Reaper: You have now smeared two people with unsubstantiated accustations. If you have anything send it to Fencer. If you do not then consider this a final warning.

Grim Reaper: Do we?

Grim Reaper: who?

Grim Reaper: yes, any advanced player that took his time would know how to draw this and know how to win if that winning smother came up. but this site has a wide range of players with different skill level so they might of wanted to see a possible win if the tempting 21-25 was taken! I'll work on your tough ending, thanks.

Grim Reaper: That looks like an interesting game. I'll watch to see how it unfolds.
On this same line, I think it'd be cool to have a "watch" feature on this site. (Like on eBay) Players could put other people's games on a "watch list" and see them on their Main page. Wouldn't that be cool?

Socrates: Socrates it is Single corner, this variant has name Flowers Temple.

1. 10-14 23-19 2. 14-18 22x15 3. 11x18 19-15 4. 12-16 21-17 5. 9-13 17-14
6. 16-20 24-19 7. 8-12 28-24 8. 6-9 26-23 9. 13-17 15-10 10. 17-22 19-15
11. 4-8 30-26 12. 9-13 26x17 13. 13x22 23-19 14. 22-26 31x22 15. 7-11
22-17 16. 11-16 10-6 17. 16x23 15-10 18. 2x9 17-13 19. 23-26 13x6
20. 26-30 25-21 21. 18-22 6-2 22. 8-11 21-17 23. 22-26 32-28 24. 11-15
10-6 25. 1x10 14x7 26. 3x10 2-7 27. 12-16 7x14 28. 26-31 17-13
29. 31-26 14-10 30. 15-18 10-14 31. 18-22 14-10 32. 22-25 29x22 33. 26x17
10-7 34. 17-14 13-9 35. 14-18 7-2 36. 5x14 27-23 37. 20x27 2-6 38. 27-32
23-19 39. 16x23 28-24 *

1. 10-15 21-17 2. 15-18 23x14 3. 9x18 22x15 4. 11x18 25-21 5. 8-11 29-25
6. 11-15 17-13 7. 5-9 24-19 8. 15x24 28x19 9. 4-8 19-16 10. 12x19 26-23
11. 19x26 30x5 12. 7-10 27-23 13. 8-11 32-27 14. 10-14 23-19 15. 11-15
19x10 16. 6x15 27-23 17. 15-18 23-19 18. 2-6 19-16 19. 18-23 16-11
20. 6-10 11-7 21. 23-26 31x22 22. 14-17 21x14 23. 10x26 7-2 24. 26-31
25-22 25. 31-27 22-17 26. 27-23 17-14 27. 23-19 14-10 28. 19-15 2-6
29. 15-19 6-9 30. 19-15 9-6 31. 15-18 6-9 32. 18-15 9-6 33. 15-19 6-2
34. 19-15 2-6 35. 15-19 6-2 36. 19-15 2-6 37. 15-19 6-2 38. 19-15 2-6
39. 15-19 6-2 40. 19-15 2-6 41. 15-19 6-2 42. 19-15 2-6 43. 15-19 6-2
44. 19-15 2-6 *


1. 10-15 23-19 2. 15-18 22x15 3. 11x18 19-15 4. 12-16 21-17 5. 9-13 17-14
6. 16-20 24-19 7. 8-12 28-24 8. 6-9 15-10 9. 4-8 19-15 10. 7-11 24-19
11. 11-16 26-22 12. 16x23 15-11 13. 8x15 25-21 14. 18x25 27x11 15. 9x18
29x15 16. 5-9 30-26 17. 9-14 31-27 18. 13-17 11-8 19. 12-16 8-4
20. 16-19 32-28 21. 17-22 26x17 22. 14-18 27-23 23. 19x26 17-14 24. 26-31
15-11 25. 31-26 11-8 26. 3x12 14-9 27. 18-22 9-5 28. 26-23 4-8 29. 22-26
21-17 30. 26-30 17-14 31. 23-18 14-9 32. 18-23 10-6 33. 1x10 5-1
34. 20-24 28x19 35. 23x16 8-3 36. 16-11 1-6 37. 10-15 6-1 38. 15-19 1-5
39. 19-23 5-1 40. 23-26 1-6 41. 30-25 6-10 42. 26-31 10-6 43. 25-22
6-10 44. 22-18 10-6 45. 18-14 6-10 46. 14x5 10-14 47. 2-6 14-17
48. 31-26 3-8 49. 11x4 17-14 50. 26-22 14-10 51. 6x15 *

This is an endgame position that comes up often. And a possible win for white for a solution that you might like to try if it ever comes up for you.

[SetUp "1"]
BlackKing = BK
WhiteKing = WK
WhitePiece = W
BlackPiece = B

BK on 32,29 - WK on 22,23 - B on 21 - W on 30.

1. 32-28 22-17 2. 28-32 30-26 3. 21-25 *

White to play and win

Easy problem but post solution when you find it!

Here are 3 games I think everyone will enjoy viewing.

Socrates: Pawns can't delete their posts.

Sorry I can't figure out how to delete my previous messages.

*Black can still draw* for those with black side moving first.

Grim Reaper: White can still draw!

*Removed because its an ongoing game*

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdgsoft/draughts/sage/moveover.html

http://www.imt.net/~jimloy/checkers/gayp.htm

I will choose something more known:

1. 11-15 22-18 2. 15x22 25x18 3. 12-16 29-25 4. 9-13 *

Single Corner Variation - Name the variation?

It has publsihed play in a book!

1. 11-15 23-18 2. 8-11 27-23 3. 11-16 18x11 4. 3-8 24-20 *

Answer isn't Slip Cross!

Pedro Martínez: Not everyone has the money though

Just pay a few bucks guys and you can play as many tourneys as you want.

Socrates: No, you can only participate in one tournament at a time. I'm in the middle of one right now and I hope it finishes up in time for me to join this new one.

Purple: i request invite but will i be able to play in it while im playing in the "anyone can win" tournament as a non paying member

The long awaited result of the Grim Reaper/Ustica game was a draw. Congrats to both players.

Purple: The winner will recieve a 6 months BrainKnight membership. If you are a pawn who is interested please request an invite.

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=10642&tri=54224&trnst=0

John Baker: The game would easily be drawn if both players had an IQ over 50

Jumper: Furthermore, the game that would follow such a progression would virtually have its own database of positions. It might be fun for two players here to play the moves through till both have all kings, then play from there. I for one, would want to watch. Grim Reaper and Pedro Martínez again? Or someone else?

Jumper: this wasn't a real game between two players...just a showcase of how to get 24 kings.

Grim Reaper: YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!! LOL!!!

Grim Reaper: How so when there are only 24 checkers on the board to begin with?

Socrates: I have one set of checker pieces

Socrates: WHo won?

1. 12-16 21-17 2. 16-20 17-13 3. 9-14 24-19 4. 14-17 19-16 5. 17-21 16-12
6. 5-9 28-24 7. 9-14 24-19 8. 14-17 19-16 9. 11-15 23-18 10. 15-19 18-14
11. 19-24 14-9 12. 24-28 9-5 13. 8-11 27-23 14. 11-15 23-18 15. 15-19
18-14 16. 19-24 14-9 17. 4-8 32-27 18. 8-11 27-23 19. 11-15 23-18
20. 15-19 18-14 21. 28-32 22-18 22. 24-28 18-15 23. 19-24 15-11 24. 10-15
11-8 25. 15-19 8-4 26. 6-10 25-22 27. 1-6 22-18 28. 32-27 18-15
29. 27-23 15-11 30. 28-32 29-25 31. 23-18 11-8 32. 18-23 25-22 33. 23-27
22-18 34. 27-23 18-15 35. 24-28 15-11 36. 10-15 5-1 37. 6-10 9-5
38. 15-18 14-9 39. 10-15 1-6 40. 7-10 5-1 41. 10-14 6-10 42. 18-22 9-5
43. 22-25 13-9 44. 25-29 10-6 45. 3-7 8-3 46. 7-10 12-8 47. 14-18 16-12
48. 10-14 6-10 49. 18-22 1-6 50. 22-25 5-1 51. 15-18 3-7 52. 18-22 8-3
53. 23-18 12-8 54. 19-24 10-15 55. 32-27 6-10 56. 28-32 9-5 57. 2-6
26-23 58. 6-9 10-6 59. 9-13 15-10 60. 32-28 23-19 61. 27-23 19-16
62. 23-27 30-26 63. 25-30 26-23 64. 22-25 23-19 65. 27-23 31-26 66. 24-27
6-9 67. 27-32 19-15 68. 23-27 26-23 69. 20-24 23-19 70. 27-23 1-6
71. 24-27 5-1 72. 28-24 9-5 73. 32-28 6-9 74. 27-32 10-6 75. 17-22 6-10
76. 14-17 10-6 77. 23-27 16-12 78. 18-23 19-16 79. 22-26 7-10 80. 26-31
11-7 81. 30-26 7-2 82. 25-30 3-7 83. 21-25 8-3 84. 17-21 12-8 85. 26-22
7-11 86. 30-26 3-7 87. 25-30 8-3 88. 21-25 16-12 89. 22-17 11-16
90. 26-22 7-11 91. 30-26 3-7 92. 25-30 12-8 93. 17-21 8-3 94. 21-25 3-8
95. 13-17 8-12 96. 17-21 10-14 97. 22-17 7-10 98. 26-22 11-8 99. 30-26
15-11 100. 22-18 11-7 101. 25-22 7-3 102. 17-13 10-7 103. 21-25 14-10
104. 25-30 16-11 105. 13-17 11-16 106. 17-21 16-11 107. 22-25 11-16
108. 18-22 16-11 *

Courtesy of www.h4ns.net/checkers




What's the most in published play Ed?

Grim Reaper: I got 9 once against a little computer program, no move list...