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25. 12月 2017, 22:45:55
MrDelete 
Merry Christmas

15. 12月 2017, 20:00:02
crosseyed_uk 
件名: Re: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
ketchuplover: In your dreams.

15. 12月 2017, 19:15:30
ketchuplover 
件名: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
Me thinks it's time for a brainking.com membership fire sale. 75% off all paid membership through the end of 2017. Prices so hot they're on fire! Void where prohibited. Non-Sectarian. Not for profit.

9. 12月 2017, 16:20:35
Hrqls 
件名: Re: Resigning
playBunny: lol ... or visit me on jijbent.nl ;-)

9. 12月 2017, 01:07:15
playBunny 
件名: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: against most opponents it's usually point 3 or 5 ... but against you, from now on, it will be point 4 :-)

Lol. Then I shall make a point of seeking calmness and tranquillity of mind.

3. 12月 2017, 10:49:19
Carpe Diem 
件名: Re: Resigning
Aganju: Yes, my opponent was going to be up against that limit a few moves later, and I was aware of it. I don't believe there was any malicious intent here; just a matter of them wanting to get as many pieces home as they could, I suppose.

30. 11月 2017, 14:16:19
Aganju 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: well said.

Btw, Halma has a rule that you _must_ remove all your pieces from your own home after N moves, or you automatically lose. Although N is I think 30 or 50 depending on board size, and that is quite high. It is a bit like the 50-move rule in chess - only that one turned out to be too short after all, as now there are endgames known that force mate in more than 50 moves.

30. 11月 2017, 09:27:52
Carpe Diem 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem (30. 11月 2017, 09:29:35)に変更されました。
Glad I brought this up; some very interesting points.

I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I guess my perspective is shaped by the fact that when I was young, I played and organized a lot of tournament chess, and that's one game that, past the beginner stage, is not often played to the end. If it was, there would be some painful games. In some other games resigning is almost a foreign concept. Take a couple of the most popular games on this site - you're not eliminated until the final move in Ludo, and Dice Poker and Backgammon aren't usually decided with THAT many moves remaining. Battleboats, Logik, and numerous others - basically no resigning. There are lots of other games like that. If one is used to games where resignation isn't standard, perhaps it doesn't occur to one to ever resign.

I had thought of taking away the "glory" of the victory, and that maybe some people don't like that. It's why I often don't bother in games like the different "line" games (Pente, Connect6, Line4, etc) - you usually don't know you've lost until you're a couple of moves away from losing (or you'd do something about it!), so I figure my opponent is more likely to want to go to the end than be done slightly sooner. 

Achievements are definitely something I didn't think of. I'll try to be mindful of possible achievements when considering resigning in the future. 

The kind of games I think could use a little more resignations would be ones like Mancala. It plays quickly enough so it's not a big deal, but there's no game where it's easier to see when you've lost. Thankfully I've never been stuck in a dragged out game of Frog Legs, which is already one of the most painfully long games as-is. :) The one that brought on the mini-rant was a game of Halma where I had moved all my pieces to the opponent's home, and they still had one piece left there and lots to move to my home. I had to move back and forth for several moves while they move their other pieces home, and then they finally moved that last which enabled me to win. Seemed kind of silly.

But really, even though I decided to share my little rant with everyone, it isn't that big of a deal to me. Just something to think about, and some of you gave me more to think about. :)

30. 11月 2017, 08:30:29
Hrqls 
件名: Re: Resigning
playBunny: good points :-)

against most opponents it's usually point 3 or 5 ... but against you, from now on, it will be point 4 :-)

29. 11月 2017, 20:49:21
Clandestine 1 
件名: Re: Resigning
Aganju:that’s a good point. Some people collect Achievement points whereas others have no idea what they are. 

29. 11月 2017, 19:07:10
Aganju 
件名: Re: Resigning
Clandestine 1: I especially hate being resigned on in the Dice Poker games. Several times I had managed to get 'Values in all Boxes', and my opponent resigned two moves before the end, denying me the achievement.

But generally, I agree.
If the game is mathematically lost, you should resign. There are other sites where this is implemented (the game just ends), but it is not trivial to code that for each game.

29. 11月 2017, 18:50:04
playBunny 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: it's OK to resign! [,,,] why drag things out?

It might surprise you but for some people, it's not. They'd rather play the loss than resign it. It may or may not be related to suicide versus natural death. ;o)

Another possibility is that the person thinks that they're doing you a favour by giving you the satisfaction of the final, winning, move. I do know that I sometimes feel robbed of that minor pleasure when someone resigns close to the end.

A third possibility is that "mathematically eliminated" does not always occur to the non-mathematically minded.

A fourth ... an opponent might be resentful of the loss and dragging it out to punish you.

The most likely, I would guess, is thoughtlessness or mindlessness; the force of habit.... The game appears, the player moves, on to the next....

29. 11月 2017, 15:08:20
Clandestine 1 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: I think sometimes opponents try to see how many moves in a day they can make. Even a losing move/game counts as a move made. 

29. 11月 2017, 13:39:44
crosseyed_uk 
件名: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: That is if they do not have the message box cancelled.

29. 11月 2017, 13:38:20
crosseyed_uk 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: Yes I agree with you on that. So when I have that situation I resign and explain why.

29. 11月 2017, 10:06:06
Carpe Diem 
件名: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: Yeah, I certainly could, but I don't feel strongly enough to bother with that most of the time - just enough tonight for a small rant on the boards instead. :) And in this particular case, it's someone with in-game comments shut off. I feel better now anyway. :D

29. 11月 2017, 10:02:57
Hrqls 
件名: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: send a pm to your opponent, and ask them in the comments in the game .. most will resign after you ask them

29. 11月 2017, 09:28:00
Carpe Diem 
件名: Resigning
Brief rant - it's OK to resign! I understand playing a game through to the end, especially when there is the possibility of some learning coming out of it. But once you are mathematically eliminated, and nothing is to be gained even in terms of knowledge, why drag things out? 

/rant

24. 11月 2017, 23:09:25
rod03801 
件名: Re:
Carnie:
No, your opponent was a pawn. Took your King and promoted to a Rook.
Just use the move arrows to go back 1 move.

19. 11月 2017, 08:57:44
Hrqls 
件名: Re: Can't claim draw after 10 times repetition of moves
evertVB: please send a private message to fencer

18. 11月 2017, 23:20:54
Aganju 
件名: Re:
rod03801: or on facebook.

18. 11月 2017, 22:23:21
rod03801 
General Chat, Like "Hello"s, really SHOULD be on the General Chat board not this one. Thanks for understanding.

18. 11月 2017, 21:13:50
evertVB 
件名: Can't claim draw after 10 times repetition of moves
Hello,
In this game:
Grand Chess (evertVB vs. Hackingnop)
Is there any moderator that can help me claim draw?

18. 11月 2017, 20:32:51
Bernice 
件名: Re:
heavenrose: WOW...how can you sleep til noon? dont you work?

17. 11月 2017, 21:46:27
crosseyed_uk 
件名: Re: Membership and the 16th November.
Carnie: But you did lol. So much for the sink ship comment and complaining about this site.

13. 11月 2017, 03:15:02
Bernice 
件名: Re:
Carnie: I agree with Hrqls....dont make it public like some do....he wont answer those ones....but he did say at one stage that there was no more fixing, so really there is no use complaining - only makes him more determined, but keep an eye on your credit card usage...a very close eye....

12. 11月 2017, 09:11:23
Hrqls 
件名: Re:
Carnie: send fencer a private message and he will look into it
give him some time to reply though

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