Artful Dodger: I consider this nutty

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnPHFSdrME&feature=PlayList&p=1D9156216E9E1F93&playnext=1&index=1

Artful Dodger: because YOU can back up EVERY single statement you have,right? you can show me proof ...PROOF of EVERY single statement?? yes??

Artful Dodger: re:Yeah but what does the flat earth have to do with Coulter?

Did you intended to toss me such a gift?

Well first of all he,..........nah,it's not worth it

Pedro Martínez: ROTFLAMO!

Pedro Martínez:
Artful Dodger: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Jim Dandy: Is it?

Artful Dodger: the earth is round

Artful Dodger: Oh come on

I'm a pretty open minded guy,The Drudge Report is my launch page,but Coulter is off the rails nutty compared to both Huffinton's page or personal outlook

Artful Dodger: I'll give you that,.........but I was refering to Huffington being as nutty as Coulter

Charles Martel: You're kidding,........right?

Tuesday: Huffington herself isn't any better maybe worse, but my fav is Michelle Malkin... at least she's hot

Tuesday: I couldn't make it past that smirk on his face,and I am heavily medicated right now!!

Artful Dodger: ..."On the other hand, the Israelis recognized the PLO and not the rights of
the Palestinians, and accepted the existence of a Palestinian people
(for the time being) as an ethnic minority and not as a people with
national rights. For some this seemed as a great victory, but for others
it was clear that the PLO leadership was more preoccupied with form rather
than content.

As matters stand now, the PLO gave up its right to a free Palestine. It
switched camp: it is not opposing imperialism anymore. In return, the
Palestinians were acknowledged as an ethnic minority with no political
rights, and THE ARAB REGIMES COULD WASH THEIR HANDS OF ANY PAN ARAB RESPONSIBLITY TOWARDS PALESTINE....


Apples and oranges? Both fighting another religion, both fighting for the end of occupation by a 'foreign' country, both wars so much based on old hates, fences, border guards, car bombs, mortars, assasinations... and a supposed civilised country giving aid to those who would kill terrorist supporters and activists in the style of info on who and where they are, as opposed to a foreign country blocking international intervention causing the war to continue leading to the death of both friendly and hostile people.

And ahhh yes... The USA supplying money and arms free (through private citizens) to the IRA, and to Israel supplying guns through the government allowing weapons contracts.

And btw.... whatever happened to compliance of security council resoloution 242 and the compliance of it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565&ei

(V): I was half expecting you to say that shortly after they moved to the other pub a bomb exploded at the previous one.

Czuch: You sound conflicted

Jim Dandy:


Sad but true,and peace puts them out of a job


LMAO... I thought you were referring to the US government!

Jim Dandy: Actually I know a story regarding something on those lines....

I have an aunt who lives in Ireland, and my parents from time to time go over and visit her on holiday. One day my parents ended up in a pub to have a spot of lunch and a drink, it turned out though that there was a gathering of certain activists on the IRA side having a chat and discussing things that were private and especially not for the ears of English folk. So... The Pub owner said sorry to my parents and that unfortunately they couldn't actually be in the pub at that time. He also said that the pub across the road was a nice pub and as a matter of apology to tell the landlord he had sent them and that the first drink was to be on him.

Czuch: Partly yes... many still ain't sure, it's a bit difficult to say Iraq has a true democracy when the gun is still used to control so much of daily life.

History sorta says that a true democracy takes years to get into place, and the possibility of a civil war is quite high.

(V): I thought they just closed the pubs earlier,problem solved

Artful Dodger: I guess under your real world we'd still be fighting in Northern Ireland, instead of as happened in the real REAL world where people and politicians talked and came to a peace agreement which resulted in the Loyalists and the IRA disarming and now sorting their difference out in talks and government.

Decades of hate and fighting sorted, terrorists just now normal citizens no longer feeling the need to kill thanks to talk.

Artful Dodger: W're on the same page on this topic,I know the guy you're speaking of,I've heard him many times but his names escapes me.It really turned my stomach when he mentioned how SOME Arab schools teach young children hate filled anti Jewish songs,they are raised to hate from infancy,the cycle must end!

Artful Dodger:

"They are fanitical murderers and the only thing they understand is the gun."

Sad but true,and peace puts them out of a job

(V):

Give them the choice to be what they want,


Well isnt that called democracy???? Do you really believe that the only reason the Iraqis have formed a new government and held free elections etc is because the US forced them into it?

Artful Dodger: Hitler was a madman given the opportunity to arise thanks to a certain end of WWI treaty.

We are supposed to be civilised educated intelligent people with the ability to solve problems rather then make ones.

Czuch: No, not force life.... Give them the choice to be what they want, with their worries and concerns talked about and allow them to live. Otherwise nothing changes, you might get a short break, but the same problems will still be there.

For example, why are we here at this point? What caused the current situation to start in the first place decades ago? Why hasn't anything been done by the international community to break up the situation before hand, who are the ones helping keeping a solution from been made.

(V):

It sounds like something from the Art of War. And a basic strategy towards peace.


Right, except when our enemy is basically hopeless and desperate due to living under brutal dictatorships and the like, we are not allowed to "force" our life on them to help them achieve a society that breeds hope and prosperity, thereby ending their desperate desire to be our enemy!!

We are supposed to just allow them to breed more and more desperate hopeless future terrorists, and do nothing but spend our money time and other resources to feed them when they get hungry!

Czuch: All leaders make big speeches..... Churchill did, Bush has (both daddy and son).....

And as you say.. time will tell on how bad or good he is, presuming where the USA and the world might be in 5 years is never that accurate.

Artful Dodger: It sounds like something from the Art of War. And a basic strategy towards peace.

Czuch: as they all are

Czuch: agreed 100%

Bernice:

Nice campaign speech....

He is already finding out that great speeches and great platitudes and great promises, and being the first black president are all nice, and might get you elected, but the reality is that he will be able to do nothing special, either good or bad, He will not fulfill most of his promises, and he will be another average Joe president, despite the best efforts of the media and hollywood to make it otherwise.

Czuch: OK....but who said it????

there is not a Liberal America, there is not a Conservative America. the is the United States of America....

Czuch: ROTFLMAO...that really DID make me laugh out loud too!!

anastasia: Good time for a stealth attack then?

Czuch: lol,right now vicodin,and I will never share..they are mine...MINE I SAY!!! ! *runs away giggling like a schoolgirl

anastasia: not so much a jab as an attempt to be funny....

what you got, and how come you arent sharing????

Bernice: We are united states, but as you can clearly see from our elections, we are currently a very divided America as well!

I think we are common in that we all (Majority/most of us) believe in freedom and democracy and all the trimmings that go with those.... but how exactly all that looks is where the differences come into play.

What is the specific role of the Federal Government? How much is too much how little is too little?

There are people at all points on the spectrum, and because we all get a vote, we tend to mostly stay somewhere in the middle, with slight ebbs and flows over longer periods of time.

In the long term, these differences are good for the country. What sucks is in the short term, when brother is against brother or some particularly polarizing event IE Iraq pops up, but overall it is a good thing having different views because we are fortunate enough to all believe in a system that is second to none!

anastasia: *jab...sorry,highly medicated right now,lol

Charles Martel: that was a job to me...indirectly

there is not a Liberal America, there is not a Conservative America. the is the United States of America....

well now according to the observations in here there is actually a Divided States of America...would that not be so?

Czuch: a spread sheet???

Jim Dandy:

Well,than I suppose no poll can ever be taken at face value,cuz that poll seemed pretty straight forward.


unfortunatly that statement is too true!!!!

Like I said before... if I got a call asking about Bushs approval near the end of his Presidency I would have been one of the 93 percent who disapproved.... but that doesnt really tell you anything except that a lot of people disapprove of him!

But I would have said I didnt approve of him because he had become a liberal, and a liberal might have not approved because of the Iraq war....

my very liberal brother would call me and say something like "look Bushd aproval is down by 93%, or whatever, and ask me what i thought about my guy now, how could I still favor him?

and he couldnt understand how I could still support Bush even though I was one who responded they didnt approve of him right now? I would be, because he has lost his conservative ways... and I could understand why his approval of bush hadnt improved, since now Bush was more of a liberal than before?....


Thing is Bush haters wouldnt even give him any credit when he did something they would normally approve of!!!

Poor guy couldnt win no matter what he did!!! Thats one reason I was so disappointed when he tried so hard sometimes to reach across the isle and be more liberal in policies, because liberals are all talk when it comes to reaching across the isle, they will never do it themselves, and they never really appreciate it when it happens for them!

Artful Dodger: trusted by whom? was a poll taken

Czuch:
Artful Dodger: Well,than I suppose no poll can ever be taken at face value,cuz that poll seemed pretty straight forward.

Jim Dandy: I totally agree.... but they dont want them to fail simply to say I told you so, and get elected the next time, they truly believe his success (in implementing certain policies) would be Americas failure...


I can only say the same thing so many different ways for you.... but that poll represents so many different people with different ideals and different meanings for success and failure...

but since the poll likely includes more than 50% conservatives, I guess that many of the people who wanted him to succeed were conservatives but also many of them who want him to fail only said so because they believe his policies would mean bad things for this country, not that they wanted him to fail for the sake of failures sake.

Czuch: Personally I think there is a hrdcore number of both Democrats and Republicans who wish the other side to fail no matter what they accomplish.We are speaking of a Fox poll in this example,but my point would be made just as strongly if it was an MSNBC poll.Fox/MSNBC attract the hardcore of either side of the fence,thus the results.I must say I was a little surprised the number was as high as 41%,I would have expected around 25 or so

Czuch: as long as Obama isn't misunderestimated