mckinley: "I didn't say slavery had nothing to do with the war. I said it was about economics and not morals."

Apparently I don't know what you mean by morals. I'm not able to separate morals from what goes on in our daily lives, and I think it may have played a bigger part in politics back then than it does now.

But assuming ecomonics was the major reason and driving force behind the civil war (and slavery only a sideline issue?), then can you explain what part economics played in sparking that war?

My understanding is the tension between the North and South led to the South wanting to secede from the Union, and it appears you are saying the reason for that tension had more to do with economics than with slavery. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

If the South's economy was not so closely tied to slavery, and Northern abolitionists were not against slavery, then how could economic forces alone have played a part in sparking the war? Are you saying the war had more to do with money than with ideological differences? If so, what did the South have that the North wanted so badly it was willing to go to war for it?

If you could tell me what you mean by economic reasons for the war, I'd have a better idea of what you are talking about.

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Artful Dodger: ... you are trying to rewrite recorded history. While it might be true to say at a local level many democrats still were voted in, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL a switch was made due to the civil rights laws.. where the people had voted NATIONALLY for Democrats, they switched and voted for the Republicans as they then were without any real voter base and used the vacuum, by becoming aligned with the POLICIES AT A NATIONAL LEVEL the voters wanted.

The Col: It seems like a soap at times... what next is gonna come out of the closet.

It doesn't matter anyway. If the current system of total non cooperation carries on, no-one will win.

mckinley: They were rude to her and all they could do was the typical liberal crap: yell and swear. Ann is absolutely right in her assertions but those morons didn't want to hear her explain her positions.

It's a total lie that the Republican party is racist bu the left keeps saying it. It's completely true that the Democratic party is the party of racism. They are the ones that fought against civil rights. MLK was a Republican as were many prominent blacks.

It's a myth that the "Southern Democrats" transferred to the Republican party. The lying left tries to paint the Republicans as racists but the truth is that they were and still are the party of racists.

If you are a conservative black you will be vilified by the left. You will be called names and the left will marginalize you. It's the same with conservative women. The left hates them too.

The girls on the view are all idiots and Ann was classy to sit their as they all raised their feathers and squawked like a bunch of frightened chickens.

BTW, there were likely many factors for the civil war but the main goal was to preserve the Union. That was the umbrella and all other factors are under that umbrella.

Iamon lyme: so how many did you do from my post to midnight of last night, 5,10,20?
Let's call it 200, send my your address and I'll send you a dollar, you earned it

(V): There is a theory out there.....and I mean OUT THERE...that The Illuminati have pre ordained Obama win.I laughed when I first heard it, but it almost seems Romney is pulling a Sonny Liston.It is awe inspiring how he has practically given this election to Obama, but I am far from secure in an Obama victory taking place.

Just a little extrapolation... If all Romney is interested in is the 5-10% of swing voters.

Doesn't that mean he doesn't really give a damn about 90-95% of Americans.

btw.. if someone said stuff the 47% in the UK.. they'd be saying "bye bye" to any political career they thought they might have...

Iamon lyme: Well then, that's the "end" of it tonight. I'm off to

Artful Dodger: That pretty much sums it up.

Iamon lyme:

Artful Dodger: "I can make that effect in the tub."

The water looks like that in your tub? How often do you take a bath?



oh, you meant the bubbles... never mind.

Iamon lyme: I can make that effect in the tub.

I don't need to smile... a cup of coffee is enough to get me into a good mood.

Iamon lyme: ahhhh, a typical liberal

There's probably a good reason for that smile.

Iamon lyme: And that stupid smile.

Artful Dodger: "Looks like the liberal guy down the street."

I see it now. He looks like he's judging you... you must have done something wrong.

Oh no, it's true... I just now scrolled down the page. I can't unsee it!!

Iamon lyme: Looks like the liberal guy down the street. Same hair too.

Artful Dodger:" would be funny if a bird flew out at just the right place!"

May the bird of paradise fly out...

"I flipped a guy the bird but the bird flew away."

Bet ya can't flip this bird... he's big enough to flip you!

Iamon lyme: I flipped a guy the bird but the bird flew away.

Iamon lyme: would be funny if a bird flew out at just the right place!

Artful Dodger: I figure what the heck, he says he never clicks on my links. But he can still mail my check for the number of links I posted before the 27th, or bring them by my office... the gardener is waiting to help him with figuring out how much he owes me.

Iamon lyme:

Back then Republicans were "racists" because they were in favor of blacks being free. Now Republicans are "racist" because they believe everyone should be treated the same. So what's changed? The only thing that's changed between then and now is what Democrats mean when they say the word "racist", and the only reason Republicans are called "racists" is because the Democrats say so. Go figure.

It's too easy to be a Democrat. All you need to know is how to wet your finger and hold it up to see which way the wind is blowing... this is all it takes, and it is the litmus test for defining "core values" in the Democratic party.

"Racism is alive and well and it's in the democratic party. It always has been."

What that old political ad was trying to get across is glaringly obvious... you should vote Democrat, because it is the Republicans who are responsible for the "Negro" living among us as free men and women.

SCANDALOUS!!

Artful Dodger: time. "Racism is alive and well and it's in the democratic party. It always has been. Once it was overt but now it's covert. But it's still there strong as ever."

Artful Dodger: So there are no white folk calling fellow white folk traitors for voting for Obama.. not forgetting it's against God.

mckinley: Not true. It's still a big deal. You should see my twitter feed. The black conservatives I follow are called all sorts of names by liberals who say they are betraying their race. I see it all the time. Even the media shows it's racism on how they treat the black conservative message. Racism is alive and well and it's in the democratic party. It always has been. Once it was overt but now it's covert. But it's still there strong as ever.

mckinley: "The civil war was about economics and not the immorality of slavery"

It wasn't one or the other, it was both. If slavery was not immoral, there would have been no civil war. If the souths economy was not so closely tied to slavery, there would have been little objection to obolishing slavery. It was more economical (convenient) to use slaves, if you were able to overcome or simply ignore any moral objection to enslaving people and forcing them to work.

The same kind of ideological debate is going on today in regard to abortion. It's more convenient and economically more feasible to not have a child than it is to have one. Kids are expensive and time consuming. If someone wants to fool around but not deal with needy little people (who will drain his/her finances and freedom) then they too need to either ignore objections to or to justify ending the little gubers life.

Seeing the baby makes it much more difficult for overcoming the moral objections to killing it, that's why the pro abortion crowd objects to right to life groups encouraging mothers to get sonograms.

Pro abortionists will also tell you that you can't compare abortion to slavery, because one hasn't anything to do with the other. If this is true, then why was it necessary to make blacks out to seem less than human and the fetus not at all human? The only way to overcome moral objections to killing people is to make them out to not be people. This was true with slavery then, and is true today with abortion.

mckinley: Yeah I read supplies came to be the deciding factor. I have to disagree to some degree over it being just economics and not slavery as the two were intertwined.

Artful Dodger: That's Southerners... or Southern democrats... The same families who lost the civil war.

Democrats spent the first century of this country’s existence refusing to treat black people like human beings, and the second refusing to treat them like adults.

Iamon lyme: nope, it will be mailed,sorry, my offer my terms

The Col: "I stopped looking at the links months ago"

Aww, that's too bad. Oh well, your loss. You can drop the money off at my office when the deadline arrives. My gardener will be on the grounds to assist you if you have any trouble adding up how much you owe me.

Iamon lyme: Dude , I stopped looking at the links months ago , but I am aware the turn off more than they please, so keep it up gratis !

The Col: "...you will be posting them for me...you will be working for nothing , on my behalf"

The Col: Make it this much money per pic and you got a deal.