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AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHO ARE GOING TO CREATE EVEN MORE JOBS OVERSEAS WITH A CARBON TAX DESIGNED TO DESTROY EVEN MORE AUSTRALIAN JOBS BECAUSE ITS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST
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Artful Dodger:
I am talking about big powerful men that are not in the public eye. Like politicians, they get paid with tax dollars, but they are exempt from public scrutiny. We live in a wolrd of hypocrysy and double standards, that is all. Taxpayers don't care as long as they don't know about it.
> Politics isn't like that. It's about the power. It's weak to resign. Most politicians are addicted to power so resigning isn't part of their makeup. Some do resign, but most don't. They just ride out the storm. Then people forget.
The difference with big private contractors is that instead of power, it is money, and since they are not in the public eye, nobody even finds out what they are up to. We never hear: "This guy makes rifles for the military, rakes in millions, and is a philanderer. He should resign!" Instead, the rich CEO takes his money, enjoys his life, makes strategic campaign contributions, and continues on in his ways. For him there is no storm to ride. People don't need to forget his wrongdoings, because they never knew them in the first place.
件名: Re:The power they become addicted to is part of the cause of their testosterone increase and stupidity
Artful Dodger:
> Interesting that it doesn't happen to women in politics but it does with some women in education (like all those female teachers having sex with their students).
I doubt that female teachers are worse than male teachers. The difference is that in the public eye a male teacher having sex with a female student is considered a terrible thing. A philandering male teacher is seen as a creep and a low life.
A female teacher having sex with a male student is treated in more sensationalistic and voyeuristic terms. She will be the subject of TV specials, psychological analysis in newspapers, and tabloid reports. The male student will not necessarily be treated as a victim of a predator, but rather as a misguided teen in trouble. Female readers of the story will wonder: "Was it true love?" Male readers will wonder "What if it I had been that kid? It might have been kinda fun." Self-righteous readers will say "How immoral!" And more vulgar readers will say "What a cougar!"
件名: Re: but Clinton was voted in even after some stories came out
Artful Dodger:
> He was well liked and effective. He is a smooth operator!
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Ahnuld was the beloved of the masses. when he was elected governor, a woman sued him for sexual harrassment, then a lot of women came forward. But nobody cared. Now we know he is the proud father of his maid's son. And still people love Arnie in spite of it all.
件名: Re:It IS a big deal. His wife is pregnant and it is cheating.
Tuesday:
> Are they out campaigning with a different face?
No, they are tendering contracts and getting paid with tax dollars. The difference is that they are not in the public eye like politicians are. Private contractors can get away with it because they are never elected into office, they don't need to give public speeches, and they are not held to the same level of accountability as politicians are. If a banker receives a huge bailout, and uses that bailout money for his own self-gratification, there is no accountability. But politicians are a different matter. People expect them to be "righteous", to always tell the truth, to always be honest, to respect women, etc. But those who make millions in tax payer dollars do not have such expectation thrust upon them. It is a double standard.
> If we went by a rule that everyone who strays and is in public office has to resign.. Does that mean teachers, the bin men, police officers, etc all have to quit?
What about those who work for private companies but are paid contracts by taxpayers?
For example, the roof leaks in a government-owned building. The government hires a roofing contractor to fix that roof and the contractor is paid with tax dollars. The contractor does the same thing as Weiner did. Should that contractor be sacked and scrutinized publicly?
Another example. A "security contractor" is hired by the CIA to do some work among terrorists in Afghanistan. This contractor turns out to do what Weiner did. Should that contractor be ridiculed publicly and sacked?
What about a CIA operative doing a sensitive intelligence matter? If his identity is revealed publicly it would jeopardize an intelligence operation. He goes on to do what Weiner did. Should that person be scrutinized publicly?
There are a lot of examples of this. Many private companies are paid millions of dollars in contracts. Some of these companies do multi-billion dollar projects paid for by taxpayers. If the CEO of one of those companies uses his money and position to become a philanderer, should he be scrutinized publicly and sacked? After all, that CEO will make millions at taxpayers expense.
件名: Re:It IS a big deal. His wife is pregnant and it is cheating.
Tuesday: Then it should have been left as a private matter. Between him and his missus and any relevant family.
If we went by a rule that everyone who strays and is in public office has to resign.. Does that mean teachers, the bin men, police officers, etc all have to quit?
I ask this about David Duke as it would be strange to have a President automatically banned from certain countries due to his views on the Holocaust.
I imagine him being a KKK member and a believer in ....
"With the above understanding of nations and States, we Whites can examine our own situation better. Phrasing our position in terms of the basic nationalist arguments, one can state that we Whites are a nation, that the interests and values of that nation take priority over all others and that we must be as independent as possible. Therefore, we must embark on a program leading towards greater sovereignty and security for our nation. We must not let ANY government impose policies and programs that are harmful to our nation's interests."
.. will cause some problems when it comes to diplomatic relations with other countries.
Btw.. I think he hates Jewish people as well.. is this guy considered racist in the USA or just some neo nazi crackpot?
件名: Re:elected by the public or paid with tax money.
(V): I agree that if you've done nothing illegal, there's no reason to just up and resign your position. It's up to your constituants to vote your butt out for being an immoral creeper! If you've broken the law (ahem, Vitter) you should be thrown out of public office. Taxpayers shouldn't pay the salaries of criminals.
件名: Re:elected by the public or paid with tax money.
Tuesday: So.... ???
Don't members of the public mess up their marriages, have open relationships.. swinging parties and other events... as in some places prostitution is legal.
Are these serving people formally members of the public? So why if the public can be human do we expect politicians, etc to be robots?
件名: Re: Westboro Baptist has a website with funerals listed they are going to attend.
Tuesday: So those Christian funde's are going for more PR are they. Hasn't the case come to the Supreme court yet banning such action!! Or is the poor excuse of free speech going to run over peoples rights to have a peaceful funeral respecting America's war dead yet again!!
Why is it still so bad in some people's minds that a person has to lose their job if they are in public office and have sexual desires
.. If the same rule applied to the private sector... then directors, etc would be falling at the rate of ten a penny. But business doesn't seem to care, as being human seems to be a recognised condition and separate to how good you can run a business.
Maybe the USA government needs to undo some of Raygun's gifts to the rich. Now that administration will take far more than the neo-con's are saying Obama's doing to beat Raygun's reputation as the worst Presidents of all time.. His admin will certainly take alot to beat in terms of criminal activity, corruption and blatant lying.
Artful Dodger: Weiner's a creep but I'm still waiting for David Vitter to resign since what he did was actually illegal, and hypocritical given his political platform.
Bernice: Yep. I think no matter how changes in peoples views over marriage change (as it has) the King or Queen will have to get married. Church of England head of thingy
Bernice: Some are humour, some of it came from him being in the navy..some are just him being a 90 year old. Different age.
Some of this "Different age" has come to light over the remake of the Dambusters film and a dog who was called a latin name for black. Now.. it cannot be used.
It's like some Australians calling us Brits "Limeys" or thinking we eat chip butties all the time. Nobody except really sensitive people really care.
件名: Re: how to make friends and influence people LOLO
Bernice: He's 90 married to the Queen. And has a classic British sense of humour. Something one American comedian stated is hard to understand by those outside the UK.