we should perhaps request a board for moderation issues
all this strained aftermath undermines the beauty of chess ... ~*~

I tend to agree with you Dano.
This stuff should be done behind the scenes.

Considering Bwild was the only moderator on here at the time, should you not respect what he done? Just as he would repsect your decision had it been you on here and not he.
And he dont nowt to be banned for himself..so why?

grows productively today - here, merely take a tissue yet ... buh ♫ bye . ▼ *click* ... ~*~

Yes, but he could've put the offending messages on hide along with the poster and waited until the other moderators had a chance to decide for themselves. Now, as it is, all I have is heresay about postings that no longer exist. True I might keep a more watchful eye on ughaibu, but it is possible that I might've not found the messages offensive and could've unhid them. Then they wouldn't be lost. With them being deleted unilaterally, I am given no chance to make a decision or to have something to refer to in the future should a simular occurance happen. If I also found the messages offensive while they were still hidden, then they probably would be deleted. When someone is on hide, I can still read their posts. No one else can, except maybe the other moderators, so no one will be offended while the posts remain hidden.
This is one very good thing about having more than one moderator, it gives the board more coverage for moderation. I suppose I could've also switched the "Mode" for who can post to "All posts must be approved" when I was the only moderator and was going to log off. I hadn't thought of that then, but it would've been a workable solution and might've precluded a lot of the things that have gone down since that time.

Fencer obviously had enough respect for bwild to make him a moderator. I suggest you do too, Walter.
Bwild has done nothing to deserve a ban and for you to come on here and say he might be banned is ludicrous.

No way can he be banned for removing offensive posts! Thats ridiculous. Thats exactly why he's here, to keep posts like that off the boards. The words in Ughaigbu's posts were clearly way out of order. I would have deleted them without a seconds hesitation, and probably banned Ughaibu from posting for a while too.

a respect board ? endless public bickering oh my ~*~

we play gothic chess, you know ... a tournament just begun. hope I don't
disturb anybody with this my odd interest possibly not welcome here ... ~*~

Sorry, but the moderator in his interminable post brought the subject up.

of making board moderation happening more smoothly, sure also would love to have
a board to post sometimes for, what subject I'd love to bring down, - as I didn't envy
Mr. Trice having an axe to grind, either, but on his private gothic lumberfields please ~*~

can we get back to discussing Gothic Chess now?

Has anyone succeded in playing a game in which you sacrificed the chancellor pawn? For example, the opening:

1. f4 e5
2. d4

Attempts by black to play d4 or c4 lead to loss of the center. Maybe somebody out there succeeded with such a gambit. If you have a nice game, can you please share?

It's not as ludicrous as you might think. I find it interesting that you didn't defend Thad a few days ago when I threatened to ban him, and yet you're quick to vouch for bwildman. It's a simple enough of a thing to hide a person's postings. Why not do so and let the other moderators help with the decisions? If each of us willy-nilly decides to ban/unban various people nothing but anger and chaos will ensue. I've been told, but do not know if it's true or not that bwildman was a moderator before and was thrown out of the position. Anyone know, one way or the other? As for why Fencer choose him and Thad, you'll have to ask him. Fencer's choices aren't set in stone and he was just helping me out getting people to share the moderating duties. Maybe they asked him if they could be moderators, I don't know.
I do know I don't like censorship. I also know that we can't just let things spiral out of hand or trouble will happen and that'll be the end of it. Each person has their own limits and tastes as to what they find objectionable. Setting the standard to the person with the most sensitivity will obviously please that person in every case. What about the rest of us that like things a little more free and loose? Or maybe even posts about Gothic Chess itself? All this talk about these other issues is starting to bother me and I'm getting tired of it.

Let me state how I want offensive posts handled while I'm moderator. If none of us moderators find the post offensive, but you do, write us. If one of us moderators does find the post offensive, put it and the poster on hide and then message the other moderators about the post and person in question. It should be fairly clear cut about what it is when this happens and I'm sure we'll quickly come to a consensus about what action to take. Hiding will work as a unilateral procedure and it can be undone, whereas deleting is permanent and takes away from the other moderator's imput. If the other moderators are OK with this, then there it is. If not, please state your objections. As for everyone else, what do you think? Good enough, or do you have a better plan that'll keep in mind my feelings about censorship. I hope this is good and it seems like it'll work just fine without stepping on anybody's toes unduly.

Now, where's that Gothic Chess discussion board at?

it wasnt a "few days ago" but a few weeks.It could be,Walter....there was no track record for Red Dragon to base an opinion?
When I came on here yesterday afternoon...everyone was at each other over this lawsuit business.I as a moderator said enough.I left th site for a few minutes,and when I came back...the conversation had continued.I deleted the posts and said again to stop.Ed and others immediatly complained about offensive posts containin a curse word.I deleted it,and notified the poster who assures me it wont happen again.
If you feel it is neccesary o ban me for doing what moderators "are supposed to do" its your choice.
its all I'll say on this matter.

Cerebro...if you want a "test" game..we can start an unrated game and try t if you like...send me an invite.

So, why did you tell them to stop talking about the lawsuit business? Depriving me of some enjoyment watching the carrying on about that which no one is too sure about, but all have an opinion of, including myself. Besides, we need to know how the case is going and if the patent is defendable or not. What better place than here at the Gothic Chess discussion board, especially when one of the posters is Ed Trice himself? Please do not censor things of this nature again. It's arguable that it is on topic, but even if it's not it doesn't sound like it was a flame war or cussing session.

As for the messages posted during your absence that you found objectionable, could you do it as I asked in the previous post the next time and just hide the posts and the poster? While the post is hidden and after the other moderators have had a chance to review it, we can come up with an action to take.

I might ban you yet, though it would be a favor to you in the long run. Maybe I'll ban myself instead and then we can see what will happen with rabbitoid's conjecture. :)

bwildman left ugh's post with the curses aimed at me sit on this board in plain view for 2 hours 45 minutes. bwildman deleted MY post, which was a fully delineated, well worded response to a concern Caissus had about international law, in about 7 minutes.

The reason bwildman is under examination is because of this. Curses are OK as long as it's his friend, but any response from me over something serious is clearly in need of being deleted immediately.

the game is not long for this site....just remove me Walter.

That was not the post bwildman, he used the word sh*t and p*ss in the post in question.

Though I didn't see the original post, the two copies that I received did not have that word in it bwildman. A close word, but not that word. You're asking to be banned, bwildman? Before I do, could you try to ban yourself first? Let's put rabbitoid's conjecture to a test, eh?
Oh, could you clean up your post with the one word you said you found objectionable and deleted other's posts?
Ed's post is what I heard from two other people in private messages to me complaining about your moderation and playing favorites. I'll go ahead and ban you in about 20 minutes, unless you're successful in doing it yourself. That will be 6:50 AM my time Pacific Daylight Saving Time (PST)

The game isn't going anywhere, and I'll soon have proof to add to the fire.

your lead moderator,Walter....lets see if you can unban yourself.

OK, you're turn. You're banned bwildman.
I see you didn't edit the cuss word out of your post, so I'll do it myself.

This means I'll have to ask Fencer to ban you. In the meantime, please refrain from posting cuss words on the site. Thanks.
your welcome

something like quid custodiet ipsos custodes?

quis custodiet ipsos custodes - who will guard the guards themselves?

like endless, private bickering - tissues anyone ? first bickering about bad bad
boys on another site, now back to bickering about bad bad boys on this site ... ~*~

quis custodiet ipsos custodes is who will guard the guardians

But better seems to be:
Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses!!

janus my anus - and gothic psychotic ... ~*~

ut desint vires tamen est laudanda voluntas
but I don't even see the will to bettering ... ~*~

exitus acta probat :)

stupor animos tenet ... ~*~

But hey, forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.

so don't hold your breathe ... ~*~ :p

LOL@Dano!

Volle.

Great comedy over my morning coffee..

*takes little horsie from g1, and places hesitantly on f3*

*sits back and ponders next move*

*oooOoPpSs!! I had a typo!*

I take it I was the case in question, while I said I'll keep it toned down I made no assurance that it won't happen again. This is to absolve you of future accussations as much as it is to accurately publish the facts.

What is wrong with people on this site;I thought it was for discussing how to play Gothic Chess, the worlds greatest invention in the chess world; not attacking Mr.Trice to satisfy some jealousy over his having invented so wonderful a game. He has every right to defend his patent in court when someone has the gall to try to use it without permission or paying his very reasonable liscensing fee to use it.

Firstly, it isn't a very interesting game, second, nobody is jealous of Gothic, third, his patent fantasies belong in his own psychosis, they're not a legal issue, if he's broke unlucky.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry! My question on gambits using the chancellor pawn went pretty much unheeded. Let's be honest. We enjoy the bickering, even more than talking about Gothic Chess.

hehehe.. I do believe so!! LOL

Please begin the next round of bickering

<>Firstly, it isn't a very interesting game,

That's your opinion, i respect that but i completely disagree.
Actually i don't even think this is your opinion, you just say that, since it is obvious you have a problem with Ed.....

>second, nobody is jealous of Gothic,

I agree on that.......

>third, his patent fantasies belong in his own psychosis, they're not a legal issue, if he's broke unlucky.

Nonsense! If you believe that, then create a Gothic Chess board with pieces and make it commercial. Then we will see if it's a legal issue.

I'm hardly likely to "create a Gothic Chess board" merely to indulge you in arguing a point, as I said, I find the game uninspiring.

Aloha,

For those who don't know, I live in Hawaii. It is morning now here and I just awoke..to 40-some new messages. It appears that Bwildman & Walter have some issues. Were there some deleted posts? Anyway, I have been mulling over a couple of ideas. Mainly, it appears that having three mods isn't working. When one of us does something unfairly, it makes us all look bad. Although I like Walter's suggestion, from a practicality point of view, it's too difficult and takes too long for us to all PM each other and figure out what to do each time there is an objectional post. And most of the time, I don't think it's that big of a deal anyway. After all we're just mods of a board, not CEOs of a big coproration.

However, something needs to be done. Perhaps Fencer could remove one or two of the mods (just as long as he doesn't remove me, please!!). As an alternate suggestion, I propose that either, we each take turns moderating the board alone for one month (October, November, December), or we put it to a vote of the readers of this board to pick one of us. I would agree to either suggestion. For the month proposal, I would take either of the three months.

Thad

Alternatively Fencer could remove Gothic.

Just ban me and everything will be fine.

Dance into the fire that fatal kiss like lover's rosey stain a chance to die. . .