Kramnik won't continue the tie-break match then FIDE has a decision to make, who is the champion?

From later games we know that Topalov is a very strong tactic player. But in the match with Kramnik he does not see mate in two in second, makes loosing move in tenth.
What is the cause of this mistakes?

435152:
I think that Fisher made a mistake.
Korchnoy have said the same things
20 years ago, and now he is sending
letter to support Kramnik.

435152:
I think that people and sportsmans from
other countries would behave themselfs
the same way in the same position.

WhisperzQ:
Ok, let's try without "personal attacks".
But I don't think that moderated letters
(except one, sorry) contain them...

I have deleted a few posts are they are considered personal attacks and do not add substance to the debate. They have not been copied to their owners. If this goes the same way again ability to post will be retricted (and for some withdrawn).

This is an interesting debate, please keep it there.

WhisperzQ

the first time i learnt about chess is the famous Fischer-Spassky match in 1972, at that time, the player could seal his move inside an envelop to adjourn the game, and left the work for his second to analyze the position of the unfinished game, the player just continue to play the moves next day that his second provided for him. i also notice that the player could walk away from the playing board anytime he wanted.
as a chinese chess player, i was very surprised that this kind of action would be allowed in chess match, it is 100% prohibited in chinese chess match.
now the " sealing move inside an envelop after 40 moves" is no more a rule.

Kiry:
accoding to Fischer, all the Russain chess players are not trustful, if you read Fischer's book, you know about it.

Bareev and Svidler, 2 friends, colleagues and former seconds of Kramnik, they sent open letter to suport
the Russian.

two Russian grandmasters and former chess world champions, Boris Spassky (now he is a French citizen) and Kasparov (now he is a politician also the classical world champion creator) expressed their opinions in public on the Topalov-Kramnik match, they claimed that Fischer is not Topalov, Fischer's complaint was to the organizor about playing condition but not to his opponent, the question is: will Fischer complain if he was in Topalov position?
the answer is Fischer will do the same thing, he will protest Kramnik's strange behaviour to visit toilet frequently for suspecting the Russian is cheating, please remember that Fischer always accused the Russian cheating.
now Karpov, another ex-world champion,(Fischer forfeited the whole match to him) and Krochloi(3 times challenge to Karpov's world title) they also sending letters to Chessbase.com to support Kramnik, ha, these two are also Russian or Russian original.

pawnme: Here here! Good point.

Maybe it's a smart strategy; everyone's concentrating on why Kramnik is on the toilet instead of analyzing the game.

Maybe he had crib sheets from computer analysis that he was referring to.

Topalov won the game 9 with white, now Topalov is leading 5:4
what Kramnik was doing? he was playing for a draw, his play is very passive that is his style.
it looks like Kramnik is finished at this stage.
Topalov is the better player should win the match.
should Kramnik sue the FIDE if he lost by two games?

kramnik visited the toilet 25 times in one game and 18 times in another, in the first 2 games, in 1 and half hour, 11 or 12 times.
the explanation of Kramnik's team is that Kramnik uses the toilet space for walking. According to the opinion of the Appeals Committee, this explanation is unsatisfactory, as Kramnik was staying each time 1 or 2 minutes in the toilet.

Topalov won the game 8 with black, now the score is 4:4
i heard about Topalov showed his confidence and well preparation for the game by moving very very fast.
this just kept his opponent sitting on his chair and Kramnik got no time to visit his loved toilet as frequently as he wanted.
very good idea indeed by Topalov's team!

435152:
1. Topalov(with his team) stronger than Kramnik(with his team). The team is the result of the player's work and so on... Once more:
Topalov little bit stronger than Kramnik.
2. Happened so that in this match Kramnik was leader.
3. Topalov uses unfair methods.
4. I don't like it.

435152:
1,2. I would say that chances of Topalov are better.
3. As for me, I prefer classical match under
FIDE control.
4. I prefer fair strong play, and don't like unfair very strong play.

Kiry:
my choice: Topalov 2813>2743
how you get your rating? is your rating unfair?

Kiry:
1. if Topalov lost this match he would be the challenger the next time.
2. if Kramnik lost he will never be the challenger again because of his playing style.
3. the next world chese championship should be played as classical or under FIDE world champion system?

One point of view.
1. Topalov is playing better than Kramnik.
a. Begin of the game Topalov > Kramnik
b. Middle of the game Topalov >= Kramnik
c. End of the game Topalov <= Kramnik
2. Does Kramnik use drugs or cheating nobody knows.
3. Does Topalov use drugs or cheating nobody knows.
4. Topalov(his team) uses unfair methods.

Results:
1 Kramnik - very strong player with rating 2743.
2 Topalov - very strong unfair player with rating 2813.
Make Your choice.

bengood24: That's probably the best argument against cheating. He could have lost the first game and should have done no better than drawn it and in game two, he was just dead lost.

Nightstorm: Ritilan and speed are actually the same drug. The difference is quantity and Ritilan is never laced with any kind of cycotropic to give you the holucinations.

I've played plenty of games where my moves are almost all recommended by the computer. It's not that uncommon in some types of positions. The computer usage thing has a lot to do with the time spent on the move also. It's clear to me that he's not cheating. He should have been down 1/2 to 1 1/2 after game 2 instead of up 2-0. I think Topalov's manager is more of a problem here than Topalov himself. I figure he probably made a comment that Kramnik was going to the toilet a lot and Danailov just made a big mess out of it.

Kramnik is more than 70% computer, and less than 30% human. according to Topalov's team, a protest was filed to FIDE that all the first 6 games Kramnik played almost 70% of the moves matched the first recommandation of a computer program called "xxxxxx9".

now the seventh game of the world chess championship is ended with a victory for Topalov with black, the score is tied at 3:3. my prediction was right that i predict Topalov will not lose this match even he was behind Kramnik by one point. please read my post on 1 October 2006,23:25:30

Kramnik forfeited his 5th game under protest, and FIDE decided to give the point to Topalov, the championship match continue with the score 3-2 for Kramnik, and Kramnik is playing under protest, he threatened to sue the FIDE after the match concluded.
another forfeited world championship game is the famous Fischer vs Spassky in 1972, the match was played also under the FIDE and the forfeited game was counted in Spassky's favour, and Fischer forfeited the 2nd under protest, the only different is Fischer was behind by 1-0.

in my opinion the foefeited game should be counted.
and KRAMNIK'S threaten to sue is very bad for the whole chess world. who is going to be the next sponsor?

now the world chess is became very politics,Garry Kasparov is a politician in Russian, and he is the one created the so-called classical world champion, Karspavov and Short broke away from the FIDE to play their world championship match.
now there are many grandmasters sending letters to support Kramnik and critize the FIDE and the FIDE presendent llyumzhinov, and those grandmasters are always not not llyumzhinov's supporters.

both players are using computer to do home preparation for this match, and both are d4 players.(from first game to the latest game)
Topalov is not FISCHER who always played the first move e4 before the match against Spassky but he did not play a single e4 game during the whole match. also FISCHER is the one who forfeited the 2nd game.
one more thing, FISCHER was playing against the mighty Russan team, and he always accused the Russan was cheating.

Beren the 32nd:

yes, one thing Topalov should do is every time when Kramnik get up from his chair going to his restroom, Topapov get ready to punch the clock.

Walter Montego: You asked "Does your clock run while you're in the restroom and it's your turn?". Yes it does, from chess at the highest level, right down to local tournament level.

mctrivia: The drugs they use to treat attention deficiet disorder such as ritilan and adderall increase mental speed and concentration without the jitters you get from actual speed. They could give an edge in competition as they work to block out distractions and focus your thinking on one thing at a time.

mctrivia: Ok. But if I read discussion correctly, the issue was over outside help that he could have received in the bathroom (cell phone). However, it really doesn't make much sense. They have refreshments at the events and that could cause the problem.

Walter Montego: I highly doubt he would be taking speed it is the only drug I can think of at the time. In fact I don't think he is likely taking anything the point was there are drugs that increase mental speed and acuity.

mctrivia: Speed, yeah, right. :) You guys have lost it and I'm having a good laugh now just listening to the speculation. I have yet to meet a smart person that takes speed on a regular basis. And I've known a few. Perhaps in lower doses and used medicinally instead of as a drug to get high it might conceivably have such a use, but if so, why wouldn't it be a more widely known fact? The amount taken to get high is lot more than the amount needed to feel its affect of waking you up and increasing alertness. So maybe there's something to this drug angle except for one thing. Speed is a long lasting drug and you wouldn't need to make frequent trips to the restroom. One extra trip at most. No reason one couldn't just take it before leaving your hotel room and not take it again until the next day. Is coffee drinking allowed at this tournament?

Like the joke picture on the link that had all the phones, computers, and monitors, along with the padded toilet seat, if there's anything going on with the frequent trips to the restroom besides him having a urinary problem, it will be getting outside help and using machines to make the moves. You wouldn't need such an elaborate set up. A cell phone and a few even one conspirators a call away who are watching the tournament would be enough.

I have a question about the use of the restroom while the tournament game is going on. Does your clock run while you're in the restroom and it's your turn?

gambler104: There are drugs like speed that improve mental performance. These drugs are usually even more dangerous then the ones that increase physical performance.

435152: athletes usually take drugs to enhance physical performance. I don't see how this would help Kramnik.

gambler104:
why athlete take drugs? for the same reason Kramnik would take drug.
how many times a normal person going to the toilet?
the rule of chess should be changed, player shall not leave the table except going to toilet accompany with a referee,the game must be played out with no adjournment(before player can seal his move into an envelop after 40 moves), and one more thing should be changed, no second is allowed, this is an individual sport, a single game match, it is not a team match.

435152: Why would Kramnik take drugs?

from latest chessbase.com the sixth game will be played tomorrow with the score 3:2 for Kramnik.
this is good for Topalov, i predict that Topalov will not lost the match even Kramnik is ahead by one point.

people are on kramnik's side just because he won the first two games, forget the two games and you will see kramnik's behave is very strange, why he needed to go to the toilet so often, i suspect that he is taking drug before or during the game, the best way is to take an urine test of kramnik's and see what is the results come out.
both topalov and kramnik are using computer for home preparation.

Beren the 32nd: I like the picture of Nigel Short. Very funny! At the momment, the bathroom and restroom problems are resolved. Today there isn't game as yesterday. Let's see if the problem of the points (the big one: 1-3 or 2-3?) will be resolved.

naughtypawn: The first two games in particular were very tense and exciting I thought.
Now Topalov and his team have disgraced themselves. Topalov plays fighting chess, but Kramnik's cool approach has already proved to be superior I think. Top level chess is 50% psychology isn't it?
There are some amusing pics at the bottom of this page: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3386

gambler104: Yes, you are right. Now, the fight is out of the board, and that is very sad...

naughtypawn: I think it is pretty stupid and trivial to delay a world championship.

Hi all. Are you following the World Championship? If so, what is your opinion about it? For me, it is a shameful situation...

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MAURICE42: essaie plutot ici: http://brainking.com/fr/Board?bc=88

je ne parle pas l'anglais, mais peut-etre que
vous connaissez un peu le français ???

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