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13. mai 2012, 01:55:44
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
SL-Mark: how about card games ? do they have any value for you ? some of them require huge intelligence to play well ... and the very nature of them is basically the same as dice games ...

13. mai 2012, 01:55:11
SL-Mark 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
happyjuggler0: "It is a common mistake of people who don't understand the game of backgammon very well to downplay the element of skill. Some of these people even sometimes put the word skilled in quotes, as if it is not actually worthy of the name skill."

Is that a fact? Then why don't you enlighten me rather than try and ridicule me?

13. mai 2012, 01:46:49
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
SL-Mark: It is a common mistake of people who don't understand the game of backgammon very well to downplay the element of skill. Some of these people even sometimes put the word skilled in quotes, as if it is not actually worthy of the name skill.

13. mai 2012, 01:46:12
SL-Mark 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
Herlock Sholmes: I should have added, as a player who does not enjoy dice games, I do not believe in providence and destiny is one of your own making.

I grew out snakes and ladders by the time I reached school age, however, I still enjoy the odd game of monopoly :)

13. mai 2012, 01:40:13
SL-Mark 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
Herlock Sholmes: QED

13. mai 2012, 01:39:39
SL-Mark 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
happyjuggler0: "the skill is in managing that which luck gives you"

Very true, however, I would add that the only skill required , if you can call it a skill, is working out probabilities. For example, a 'skilled' backgammon player only wins over the long run, through having a better understanding of probabilities than their opponent.

13. mai 2012, 01:20:43
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: Dice Games

SL-Mark: "Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved."


This thought is probably good for schoolboys and schoolgirls, at the beginning of their path in life. For those who have seen "this and that" it's clear that achieving goals in life is a combination of luck(chance) and skills(choice) ... we can control only small partion of our lives. Budda beautifuly answered when asked about our free will: you have two legs and lift the first one . You can do it, right ? now, still holding the first leg up, try to lift the second one. You cannot, right ? It's a perfect example of mixture of what we can and what cannot do ...I don't think most of us know exactly why we choose either dice or non-dice games. I personally feel relaxed playing dice games and tense when playing non-dice games. Dice games are more exciting for me since the unknown feature. Are they more intelligent than non-dice? 


Andy.




 


13. mai 2012, 01:12:00
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
SL-Mark: In dice games, the skill is in managing that which luck gives you. There are good ways to play what the dice give you, and there are less good ways. The more highly skilled players find the better plays more often than the less skilled players do.

I can't say why others play them, but I don't view it as destiny or fate when I win or lose; not over the long run anyway....

13. mai 2012, 01:01:47
SL-Mark 
Emne: Re: Dice Games
Herlock Sholmes: Interesting insight. Thought there might have been a few responses to this.

"Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved."

I wonder if those that mostly play dice games believe that fate or destiny is general providence and those that play primarily non dice games believe that indeed fate is controlled through their own choices in life!

12. mai 2012, 18:21:29
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Dice Games

When you look at the statistics, the first 20 games on the list have only 4 games that are not dice-based: Chess (classic), Five in a row (another classic) and two invented and implemented games here: Frog Finder and Knight Fight. It is interesting to think about the reason behind such a popularity of the dice games. In my opinion, dice and the unknown outcome of the roll are somewhat like life itself, where we are getting set of facts and situations that are beyond our influance, and later on we have to deal with them, one by one. And we are never in total control of our lives. Such similarity, life itself and dice games, is what draw us to these games. On the other hand we are like children that need some help from Lady Luck, and when we do not get it, at least we can blame Her for bad fortune. Uknown is what fascinates us in dice games, and unexpected turns of luck is what we are wating for. Even Knight Fight has some elements of luck and unknown because of its random distribution of initial board. I do not know much about Frog Finder, but probably even there are elements of mystery and our goal is to "find what we are looking for ..." . There is one game played without a die, but as a matter of fact, it uses die character. It's Behemot, and what is interesting it not only "rolls" 1-4 spaces, it MOVES in 8 dirctions. It's a fantastic concept, something what "linear" Ludo is lacking.


I would be happy to hear from you about dice games, your ideas and thoughts.


Best regards,


Andy.  


6. mai 2012, 01:56:38
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: I love...
ketchuplover: me too

6. mai 2012, 01:05:44
ketchuplover 
Emne: I love...
the emotico(n)(m)s here

5. mai 2012, 14:28:31
Mélusine 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
Aganju: Yes, it seems logical.

5. mai 2012, 05:41:08
Aganju 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
Mélusine: I would assume 'your own tournaments' means the ones you _created_, not the ones you chose to participate in. You can probably not keep him from joining any tournament just because you are in it.

5. mai 2012, 04:54:35
Mélusine 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
Fencer: How it works ?
I mean : if I ban someone, I can't sign up for a tournament he has already joined ?
And, on the contrary, if i sign up for a tournament, and then this person wants to join it : in this case, is this person blocked ?
And if he is, does he know why ? Is it written somewhere ?

5. mai 2012, 04:44:29
Mélusine 
Emne: Re: I just spent 5 minutes looking everywhere on MY OWN profile for it
MadMonkey: I must admit that I did the same !

4. mai 2012, 09:23:27
Fencer 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
MadMonkey: If you have a good reason to ban yourself from your own tournaments, just ask me. It's a single click solution.

4. mai 2012, 09:09:41
MadMonkey 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
Fencer: lol...i think i better go back to bed. I just spent 5 minutes looking everywhere on MY OWN profile for it

4. mai 2012, 07:25:54
Fencer 
Emne: Re: Ban from tournaments
rod03801: Yes, it is new. It was requested by people who are permanently abused by slow and annoying players, deliberately ruining their tournaments.

4. mai 2012, 02:47:15
rod03801 
Emne: Ban from tournaments
I see a new choice on profiles. "Ban from my tournaments"....

It IS new, correct? Or am I just very unobservant?

2. mai 2012, 12:15:04
Gabriel Almeida 
Emne: Re: strange
aaru: It's "more or less" 7. In Portuguese, it means "it's near to 7", so it could be 6.8, 7.1, 7.026, 6.914... :)

2. mai 2012, 11:58:50
aaru 
Emne: Re: strange
Fencer:

2. mai 2012, 11:43:25
Fencer 
Emne: Re: strange
aaru: I would say it is equivalent to -7.

2. mai 2012, 10:58:52
aaru 
Emne: strange
Your expected BKR change: win: 1658 (+35), draw: 1616 (+-7), loss: 1574 (-49)

DRAW +-7 ????

30. april 2012, 03:12:53
Mélusine 
Emne: Re: if I am right
Universal Eyes: I also didn't know this. I calculated each time. Thank you for the information.

28. april 2012, 21:18:25
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: if I am right
Universal Eyes: Wow, I never noticed that before, thanks! I wonder how many other features there are that I've never noticed at BK.

28. april 2012, 20:12:18
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: if I am right

Universal Eyes:


yahoooo ! looks great, thanks you so much ... but it doesn't tell me how many numbers are  still needed in each categories and if there is any surplus somewhere in the column or deficyt.


But it helps.


28. april 2012, 20:08:08
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re: if I am right
Herlock Sholmes: If you scroll over the blank bonus area you should see how many points are needed to achieve the bonus points.

28. april 2012, 20:01:33
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re:

coan.net:


sounds good, but if you play one game at a time. playing more games, with more opponents there is no way by looking at the table to know immediately where you are. how about displaying in the upper left corner small number telling how many numbers were entered ? or just completely get rid of displaying scores, and showing only how many numbers were entered ... you could then recognize your situation at once.


28. april 2012, 19:46:50
coan.net 
How I try to remember it - as long as you get 3 of each in Triple Dice Poker (3 one's, 3 two's, 3 three's, etc...) then you will get the bonus. (So if you get 4 six's - you know you have 6 additional points to play with... so for example, if I have 4 six's, I know I can get away with only 1 three - as long as I have 3 of each other dice.)

... And then in the 6D version - you need 4 of each dice instead of three.

28. april 2012, 17:17:06
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: Tripple Dies Poker 6D

happyjuggler0:


sure, but you still have to remember at least 12 spots ( doubled and trippled column at least) and how many numbers you recorded in them, especially because it displays multiplied values and not how many numbers you recorded.


28. april 2012, 16:38:33
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: if I am right

there should be one more row in the upper section that gives current score for columns, this way we can control how far we are from the limit, and if it make sense to score in the upper section. Now I have to add many numbers to get some idea where I am on  the road to get my bonus.


It would be also nice to have this limits displayed somewhere in columns.


Best regards,


Andy.


 


28. april 2012, 16:37:21
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: Tripple Dies Poker 6D
Herlock Sholmes: Yes, that is right. I agree the instructions are a bit vague.

One way to think of it is that in triple dice poker, the bonus is calculated by the score that you get if you had scored three of each number, and in triple dice poker the bonus is calculated as if you had scored four of each number.

If you think of it that way, and you realize that you only got three 6's in 6D, then you need to make up that extra 6 somewhere else, for example by getting five 5's and five 1's, or five 4's and five 2's.

28. april 2012, 16:30:17
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Re: Tripple Dies Poker 6D

happyjuggler0:


In order to get a bonus in Tripple Dice Poker, column in the Upper Sections should read:


63 ... 126 ... 189 and in Tripple Dice Poker 6D column should read: 84 ... 168 ... 252 , right ?


I guess it is a little bit cloudy for the players, especially beginners, and should be explained more clearly. 


Thanks for your reply


28. april 2012, 16:13:54
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: Tripple Dies Poker 6D
Herlock Sholmes: If you look at the rules for triple dice poker, which your game is a variant of, you will see that the score that you need is based on the upper section of the first column. In order to get the bonus for the second column, you need to multiply by 2, and to get the bonus for the third column, you need to multiply by 3.

28. april 2012, 16:01:59
Herlock Sholmes 
Emne: Tripple Dies Poker 6D

Could someone explain to me the rule of bonus in this variant ? I am not getting it. You are suppose not to reach 84 points to get the bonus (this is the way I understand word "limit")?


In my game I scored way beyond 84 points in the third column and didn't get anything ....


http://brainking.com/en/GameRules?tp=107&fwa=ShowGame!g=5686506


25. april 2012, 01:52:33
Bernice 
ANZAC day,,,,lest we forget

23. april 2012, 22:17:13
ketchuplover 
Emne: Re: 9 of 193 players...
Bwild:

true that

23. april 2012, 19:04:31
Mort 
... Maybe a yearly top two match, with an award given to the winner

23. april 2012, 15:55:26
Bwild 
Emne: Re: 9 of 193 players...
ketchuplover: dont get out much,do you? lol

23. april 2012, 15:34:45
ketchuplover 
Emne: 9 of 193 players...
who first logged on from 1 April 2012 to 22 April 2012 have logged on today(so far)

23. april 2012, 04:12:48
Mélusine 
Emne: Re:
Bwild: Yes, I succeed in doing it with friends but sometimes, I've enough to ask this.
And friends often say yes because they are kind with me, but they can be bad players and do not like the game.
We come back to what Purple said : people try to keep their rating the most higher possible, so a neutral program for training would be great.

23. april 2012, 04:06:02
Bwild 
Emne: Re:
Mélusine: you can set games up to be unrated for practice.

23. april 2012, 04:02:43
Mélusine 
Emne: Re:
Bwild: Yes, the variants are very .
I just regret that here, we don't have a programme for people who want discover a game or else practise.
I'm sure I would play more games, especially variants of checkers.

23. april 2012, 03:56:47
Bwild 
Emne: Re:
Mélusine: I have to agree with you. I'm terrible at some games...but I like to play,and I learn from the more experienced players who are willing to give me the time.
chess and checkers is tough,due to the large number of program players..but the variants are great fun.

23. april 2012, 03:50:17
Mélusine 
Emne: Re:
Purple: I agree, it's not fair from him to reject a game with you, but I think we must not impose an opponent on someone : he must be free to play with you or not.
Nobody is dupe ; we often see, here, people who aren't fair (example : people who send an invitation to someone else just for raising their BKR).
Me, I look at my rating, just to see the games where I have to progress, and just to have an idea, but I don't want to be prisoner of this rating, I don't forget that, 1st, I'm here for fun.

23. april 2012, 02:23:53
Purple 
Emne: Re:
Aganju: TY. I don't like to beat up on a bunch of less skilled players just to get to him but I may have to do it.

23. april 2012, 02:17:58
Aganju 
Emne: Re:
Purple: I checked, he is playing Checkers in many of the small tournaments. You could just enter yourself into one of those.

22. april 2012, 23:55:14
Purple 
Emne: Re: invite higher rated players
happyjuggler0: Not that "It's Your Turn" is any role model but their ladders work beautifully. This is a better site but they have better ladders.

22. april 2012, 23:04:30
happyjuggler0 
Emne: Re: invite higher rated players
Folks, you need to be careful before putting this type of "stairs" thing into BK rules for non-stairs games; there are all kinds of potential nasty unintended consequences.

For example, this could inspire people to change their settings to not accept invitations.

Another downside is wanting to limit number of ongoing games (for non-rooks) in order to make space for a tournament you want to play in, but too many people want to invite you to games and you are forced to accept.

Similarly you might be trying to clear up your remaining games to go on a playing hiatus (a vacation or just to not get burned out on a particular game).

Another potential problem is being forced to play time controls you don't want to play, or match lengths you don't want to play, or single game invitations where your opponent has the side that has a huge advantage (e.g. battleboats plus).

Right now I have a few players on my blocked users list because they were abusive or obnoxious in some other way. I would hate to be forced to play them.

I'm sure there are other potential problems that others can think of. Anyway, I hope Fencer would be very careful before implementing any such "reform" to make sure it doesn't hurt more than it helps.

I have had similar problems with players who are number one ranked while I was number two ranked who refused to play me. It is frustrating. Fortunately for me though none of those rating differences were insurmountable the way the rating difference in checkers is....

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