*melt* but psst - couldn't I rent that effect for personal use ? :D ~*~

Invisible BK daemon ;-)

ahhhhh - much better ...
whoever fixed it, Fencer/Liquid or Father Random, thanks ... :) ~*~

g=192742

somebody please look at this game and tell me I don't hallucinate ...

try two moves back and forth on ... hyelp ! ~*~

Oops. I'll do it later today. Please give me several hours :-)

Fencer could you please end this game! I've tried to. I've moved a piece out and then back in and yet it still continues to play though I've already won it twice. LOL Thanks!!!

Crissie :o)

Thank you Harley.
I am trying to be as patient with any user as possible but sometimes it isn't possible at all.

I sent tonyhawk a few private messages about this, advising him of his options.
Then, as Kev said, 'unbeatable king' began posting here. To cut a long story short he is now the first person to be banned from this board :o(

I've already told this guy what to do [yesterday]. His response is still the same, about leaving BrainKing. Well, there is not much else to say to a person who sends complaints to all sides 16 hours after registering his BK account.

Well, i was online when tonyhawk's first post was made (the one about unbeatableking bothering him) and what happened was it was first posted with a different user name (i don't remember what). Then, i went on to another db, and saw another new post on this board. The first one was gone, and the exact same post was made with the userid unbeatableking (yes, himself complaining about himself bothering him! lol). Then again, another new post and it was again the exact same post, this time by tonyhawk2004 (the one currently there).

Profile: tonyhawk2004
First login: 7. September 2003, 04:21:54
Last action: 8. September 2003, 00:33:10 - logging out
Total score: 0 wins, 0 draws, 0 losses
no current games
how did you manage to find someone to bother you in such a short time? just curious.

tonyhawk2004: You could just change your name and then don't talk to the person who is bothering you. If the other person does not know your name here, then he could not contact you here.

Just a thought...

look harely i can't put him in my enemies list then he'll find a way to keep bothering me just suspend him or warn him in a message okay!!!!

With freedom comes responsibility, it is a fact no matter how many would try to dispute it. One has total freedom to step off the cliff, yet it is not always the most responsible thing to do, especially if there is a stair down. Truthfully, being rather new to backgammon, I was not aware of some of the rules, and the bugs that can be caused by software logic problems. If I have violated this rule (or any for that matter), please forgive my ignorance and point it out to me, I will happily reform my manner of play.

tonyhawk I can't suspend anyone from using the site. If he's bothering you put him on your 'enemies' list and he will not be able to message you or send you an invite to a game, or even see that you are online.

as u know i reported on a guy callled unbeatableking and because of him i'll have to leave brainking if i stay he'll keep bothering me about IYT if u him tell him i'l leaving because of him if u want to help me get him suspended just go report him to harely and harely plz suspend that guy or lse ii'm leaving brainking!!!

the brainking rules of backgammon are readable. and even if the
bk-logic would allow violating them, I'd surely not consider doing so.

but the questionable exception-rule is not written down, instead
only hoovering in somebody's assumption which seems odd here
where I live ... (to correct other assumptions met) - details about
(as repeatedly pointed) cAn be viewed at the backgammon board ... ~*~

Just what I was about to say rod! Thanks :o)
It is really a subject for the backgammon discussion board.

I agree completely, Pyloric Valve. As I'm sure MOST backgammon lovers do too.

I DO see Danoschek's point, that technically HERE, it is not cheating.
But it is NOT the universally accepted version of backgammon. PERIOD.
I'm sure that since a majority of backgammon players here would prefer the universally accepted rules to be implement here, I'm sure Fencer will at some point do this. He is a busy man!
I have often wondered if he would consider putting the game back a move if both parties agreed that would be the fair thing to do. (Maybe they weren't aware of the rule, and if you mention it to them, they agree to it).. Just a thought.

here we have different rules, some even insist you cAn not put
more than 5 stones onto a single tacken and call that professional ...

it's a manner of agreement period.

for me people not respecting my free choice which die to use as first are
basically alogic - but I don't oppress and call them clueless or (ugh) amoralic ...

as for monopoly, to have adjustable rules should be possible, big deal ! ~*~

This discussion has veered into a very deep philosophical discussion on the nature of cheating the importance of rules. Let me be clear. Whether or not there is a glitch in the software, it is cheating by any definition to take advantage of a mistake. Period. There are no ways aroudn it unless you cheat and you require justification. There is now way in which you can call a game backgammon and not play both die every turn. That is the fundamental nature of backgammon. I defy anyone to find such a rule for backgammon anywhere that it is played seriously. As such, whether it is possible to lpay without using both die IS COMPLETELY BESIDE THE POINT. It's possible to shoot each other, that doesn't mean that isn't illegal. Possibility is never a justification for doing the wrong thing. I challenge every player on the site to never use a bug to their advantage. It not only tarnishes your reputation but it makes you an awful player because you have not learned to play backgammon and as such makes you worse than someone trying hard to do the right thing even though they may be tempted to cheat.

California man, the matter here isn't really one of backgammon, but rather rules, software, and sportmanship.

I have to agree with you. I checked the posted rules on backgammon here on this site, and there is no mention of the deviation from the game what one would expect to play as backgammon.

In fairness, the one-die deviation should be posted in the on-site backgammon rules until the game deviation is fixed, if ever. It took IYT awhile to get their backgammon software up to snuff. BK is a young site; I'm sure it will take awhile for everything to get worked out here.

Since the software allows for only one die to be played when bearing off, it's not really cheating when one exercises that option, but it is not very sporting. I personally would never exercise that option.

For the short period that BK has been online, Fencer & company have done an outstanding job. We just need to be patient for perfection. :-)

btw, you do have the highest backgammon rating at BK, so expect some unsportsmanship from those who can not defeat you otherwise, and just don't play them anymore in social games. Some people just don't take losing well.

Congrats on your outstanding backgammon BKR.

peace

you're wrong not only at which board to use for your objection,
as already mentioned - there's a debate from several weeks ago ...

and here, indeed it is allowed ... rules are
a manner of agreement and not of a personal view ... ~*~

You cannot use just one dice and have a acompleted play,Nowhere in the world is that allowed, "Gold Token" and Daily Gammon have solved that problem of making just one move, the game will not progress, Also, To allow time to run out when you are losing should cost the quitter points and the winner plus points.....I can't see myself paying to play here when these problems continue to exist, Also, the scoring system here is "for the birds".........california man,,,,,,,

I am sure Linjon complaining does not help to get the site better and faster, but messages after a pretty rude answer from Fencer as "applauding" and "well said" and messages like that sure don't help

Thanks Jason, thats pretty much what I was trying to say! If the game allows it then it can't be classed as true cheating. It may be the other player has never played it before and doesn't know any different.
Anyway this really belongs on the backgammon board :o)

i think there has been a big debate about this a few months back harley . some people say its cheating if you dont use both dice ,others dont agree . me personally always use both (even if it would lose me the game ) but if my opponent didnt use both dice then i feel i couldnt call them a cheat .. because the game allows it . just my opinion ;)

I think Fencer is aware of the dice problem in gammons? I'm sure I've seen it discussed on the backgammon board, but I could be wrong.
If this is the problem then its not eactly cheating... well, it is but the programme here allows it (for now), so it can't be helped.
I meant if there is an outside programme being used or anything like that. If it is just a disagreement on the dice then its best sorted with a polite message to your opponent. It may be they had not noticed the move?

yes you can delete a game without affecting your bkr ,

can someone tell me for sure, if you can delete a game after just 1 move, without penalizing your rating?
thx. ellie

there is a way to cheat in the gammons, by not using both dice when you can by swapping them, there is a bug in the gammons here. like harley said, it should be reported to fencer.

I guess if its serious cheating then Fencer should hear about it. He is the owner of the site. But I'm not sure how you can cheat on here?

To whom do I report such matters? califorina man

Bernice - I was happily playing on the site at 8.56 am (your message time); it is always the best time of the day. Hardly ever get any time-outs from now until noon.
So maybe it could be an Aussie problem; does Whisperz have your kind of problems?

Wait a minute.

Fencer: Game id# 185618 is back on my games to play again, LOL. When you get a chance could you please fix it? Or if it would be easier I'll just move a piece out then back in again... hmmm... would that work? Thanks :o)

to the 49 people that are waiting for me to have my turn...Im having terrible problems accessing any sort of games, as probably a lot of other people :(....love this site, but???....Fencer this is the main BRAINKING.COM page, and im afraid i cant see here an explanation of what is going on....the general chat board is way out of my depth ( reading wise)...too many messages...sorry

Fencer: I made the move again, however, it is still showing on opponent's turn to move, instead of a win.

Crissie: Try it again.

Fencer (or anyone): could you please look at game id# 185618? I already moved all of my pieces to win but it is still allowing moves. :o)

Fencer was accused of making an "inflammatory" remark (my words and spelling) about a user that posted a remarkably lackluster compaint. I think it is outrageous that anyone would bother the poor man after the last few days, especially when they play for free. You will have to scroll back a ways, there is a lot of litter on the highway

I agree ... 0:) ... indeed I second the best wishes for our czech coders
and - as a sidenote - also for the underpowered mirror-industry ... ~*~ :D

annabria . whats for free ?

As a sidenote, I also thought that an ignore button would be helpful for the future maintenance of a civil site. But I have sadly changed my mind. An ignore button would still mean that I play at a site with the aforementioned boards, and that just is not gonna happen. So, have to agree with a few, it will be interesting to see how all this plays out, my best wishes and full bets lie with Fencer.

<actually I agree that envisoning the future of bk boards like them
of IYT is frosting ... all those people who know exactly who is so
bad for a site and are so concerned about. btw those too who cannot
stay to a subject without winding up to inessential personal attacks as
it recently also happened here, at the feature-request board ... >:) ... ~*~

I think Fencer has done a pretty good job of addressing all these problems. But because of an assortment of people, very much in the minority at this point in this sites history, and a strong desire of a good gaming site, this site, in my humble opinion, is in trouble. And anyone that may disagree, please go read the general chat site at IYT and envision the future here if something is not done about that problem alone. Why do you all automatically suppose that Fencer and Liquid wish to continue to deal with that problem and continue to provide a free gaming environment on their own. And nothing comes for free, unless money is being made in another place to cover it.

One thing is probably for sure: Fencer IS addressing the problems the site has experienced and IS taking action to correct these problems. Who knows all the things he and Liquid are doing behind the scenes. Fencer KNOWS about the complaints. He's probably tired like the rest of us hearing people offer the same complaint over and over. Just chill out and eventually things will get better and better. For the most part, I get on this site most times I try. If it's down, it's down. It's not my life and I can do other things and come back later. I suspect this is what most do.

I think Fencer was right on with his comments and from the responses I read, so did a lot of others here. Harley is right, this site is better than any other, even with its problems.

tonyh
yes i get terrible problems too some times worse than others i do have highspeed connections , yesterday i managed over 600 moves ( i was on here for 20 hours) if there was no problems with the site i would have easily done 1500 moves ,
ps some days i dont sit here and wait for it to come back on and do only a few moves (i find something else to do ;)) . )

Rouge--- I must agree with you,,I played here as a pawn until I got "Hooked" on the site,,,I enjoy this site so much,,,I sent in my membership fee to "Help" me play my games better & easier... If you enjoy playing here,,,send in your "measley" membership fee & feel good about helping to support the site... :)

Hi Tony :o)
This has been said before, and for players with hi speed broadband connections its possible to get through a huge amount of games in a very short space of time. Especially for games that need little consideration like backgammon and battleboats.