Artful Dodger: I have the nightly news on in the background and I THINK he said they medical bills alone for the babies will top one million dollars??!! OMG you have got to be kidding me...I don't understand HOW she was able to be implanted with ONE let alone more.

Artful Dodger: I remember...now this was YEARS ago tho..I was maybe 13...my Dad and I were watching the nightly news ( I always had a thing for that,lol) and they were reporting on bad government spending...they reported on the one,it was to study the flow rate of ketchup....to this DAY I wonder why anyone would need,or care to have to spend millions of dollars on that...me and Daddy joked about that up untill he died

Artful Dodger: as has every other for the past...oh,I dunno...FOREVER...untill we all carpool to Washington and crash the gates and forcefully take back DC..not to much I can do,is there?

Artful Dodger: to bad this board wasn't around for the past 8 years so we could have posted all kinds of republican bashing stuff all the time.....no party is perfect AD,ya need to stop obsessing...

Bernice: I wish I had smilies...I would give ya the ones that clap their hands!!

Artful Dodger: another thing that bothers me. Doctors that preform abortions make tons of money.
so do heart surgeons,plastic surgeons,etc...Do you not have any free womans clinincs that help lower income women out in your area?
I don't believe that tax payers should be MADE to fund abortion...thats wrong (OMG did I again NOT fit into some idea of your mold of me because I am agreeing with you on this!!??) I also feel that more plans need to be out there to PREVENT pregnancy in the first place....certainly NOT as hog wild as Pelosi stated,but SOMETHING needs to be done,we actaully kind of had this disscusion before..the women addicted to crack that keep having kids...my thought,sterilize them,end of story....abortion should NEVER be used because some woman made a stupid drunk desicion to have unprotected sex one night...sux it up and deal with it,BUT what if she was raped?? insest?? some 12 year old girl is raped and gets pregnant..what if the baby is going to be deformed or retarded?? tell me WHERE in nature (unless their is human intervention in most cases) that you will find a deformed animal...you don't because nature takes care of it own...we have such a God complex that we feel we MUST save all life...there need to be guidlines on this priocudure..but WHY would anyone want to make it ilegal and FORCE a woman or young girl to have to go to the old "back ally" way of doing it when we HAVE the know how now to preform it safely?

Bernice: There is always something that will make a child eat his vegies LOL
like I have previuosly stated...it gets very tiresome to argue when they only want to see one side of things...I TRY,to a point to see the entire spectrum,but they insist on grouping me into "liberal" and crap like that,I dont fit into THEIR mold,but they dont want to seem to notice that...well,in all fairness,Chuckie does,sometimes..They are condemming Obama,he is ruining our great country, and he hasn't even been in a month...bit hard to take the country down in less then a month...as far as that goes,I CHOOSE not to get into a pissing match with them,easier on everyones nerves

Artful Dodger: of course you would

Artful Dodger: I was going to stay off this board because,well,you guys annoy the crap out of me with your right winged,left thight middle foot crap you blab about all the time but this one AD

(like being fat is unhealthy and I don't wanna be fat and unhealthy so I want an abortion). I'm not clear on this and neither are many others.
If you are seriuosly SO unclear on that,that you would think getting fat would fall under this,then maybe you shouldn't be a teacher...THAT is just ignorance.....

Tuesday: I'm finished posting on this board.
I'm with you on this one...enough already

Czuch: I think they maybe just wanted us to KNOW they were peeping toms...I mean watching us...I MEAN moderating us....from a distance * sings that last part to you guys like Bette Midler*

Vikings: LMAO!

Czuch: which is why this board is watched so closely.
ohhh,they watch us!! is that good or bad,lol!! I feel so naughty now,like we have our very own peeping tom's!

Czuch: I agree with Rod...it IS starting to turn personal.
I was just telling someone the other day that even tho we get upset and go back and forth a bit that everyone keeps an overall friendly tone and it never gets down to a personal level...feels like that is starting to change.

Artful Dodger: This is what people like you fall for. ...
Glad you know me sooo intimatly to know what I believe and what I don't believe
I have NEVER thought he was making fun of people dying..and if my wording of what I said was leading you to believe that...that was NOT my intention.....my intention was to say he was joking about not finding the bombs....WHILE people were over the dying,and I feel that is in poor taste.

Czuch: sorry hun,trully I am,lol...I had my feathers ruffled,not a good day and then he comes on and starts with calling people stupid and spineless...I guess I just got a bit upset...didn't mean to drag you into it

Artful Dodger: you get a grip..always babbling on and on and on how YOU are right and everyone else,excpet chuckie boy are wrong..always correcting people for what YOU think is a wrong opinion...because it isn't YOUR opinion....everyone IYO is a right winged nut if they don't agree with you...God you are such a judgemental person. you act like your not,but you are.

Artful Dodger: now YOU are the one deliberatly twisting things and you know you are......wow,such a good person you are AD...good person indeed.
Make ya feel good to call people dumb and spineless? make yourself feel bigger and better??

Artful Dodger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

I said he was joking about the weapons not being found WHILE people are over there dying

Artful Dodger: what? that people are dying or he was making jokes about it?

Artful Dodger: and I stand by mine as well! he was being a jackass by joking about it while our men and women are over there DYING...do GET THAT!!!?? PEOPLE ARE DEAD and he was making JOKES!
I don't care WHO YOU ARE you DO NOT joke about THAT! it's sick! and if you think it's ok then YOU ARE SICKER!

Jim Dandy: THANK YOU!

Czuch: I agree! oh dear lord..so weird when I type that to you,lol!
But all I was saying is that it wasn't OBAMA that is playing the race card here,it is the black leaders in the community.
I don't think ANY inaguration should have that much money spent on it.....everyone knows who the President is,lets have a small ceramony and move on with things..no matter WHO was elected.
If people voted for him JUST because he is black (and I agree,there were many) then shame on THEM for not going deeper into the issues that each man stood on.

Artful Dodger: Only when they are clearly misguided.
No,I REALLY think you just like trying to show off that you think you are sooooo smart..well,goodie for you on that :)

Czuch: and remember.... it just a down payment!!!
You keep bringing this up but to be honest,I dont recall OBAMA ever playing the race card....to be fair,I thought this year was probably one of the better years for BOTH guys that were running,they BOTH ran decent campaings..
Anywho...you guys always commenting about us "Bush haters" and "Bush Bashers" how we WANTED him to fail...which for me couldn't be farther from the truth...but now it sounds like you guys WANT Obama to fail...No matter had your Rep. gotten into the whitehouse,NIETHER guy would have had an easy road. WHY would you want ANY President to fail? I wished Bush BEST OF LUCK on BOTH terms....you guys don't even seem to be givng Obama a chance

Artful Dodger: and you just LOVE correcting people,don't ya

Artful Dodger: sweet louise...chill out

Bernice: doesn't matter...they had "experts" on tonight and said he IS president....hehehehe constitutional experts....seems a pretty boring job

Jim Dandy: omg

Bernice: I thought she looked nice...I also like that she choose some very small fashion designer that only puts her stuff in a very small number of boutiques,and she doesn't advertise her stuff because her budget doesn't allow for it...maybe by Michelle wearing her design,she will have opened up a new door for the designer to make a name for herself.

Czuch: hopefully one day the shoe wont be on the other foot and you are homeless...and hopefully the people wont say to themselves as they look at you....ehhh,what a scam that guy has going....you shouldn't judge people Chuck...you have NO CLUE what is going on with their lives......maybe some are mentally ill after Nam?? maybe some are suffering from depression?? Drugs,alchol? Maybe some have been abused and turned out onto the streets as kids and dont know any other way TO live.....the system helps only a few..it's total BS to think the local systems help everyone,if that was the case,their would be no homeless.

Czuch: Also, I would say that the "homeless" who fight over the best traffic corners to beg for money are mostly 100% scammers. No, I have no actual proof, but you also dont have any proof that they are not scammers,
BUT,I am not the one throwing these accusations around about them being fakes...again...YOU guys ALWAYS hound for facts,examples,blah blah...so,lets have them or you have no right to really be debating it on a debates board


AD says...Not everything demand proof. And I didn't say you need to offer proof, but that you had to offer valid reasons for your assertions. .....
untill someone challanges one of YOU then you don't need a valid reason for your assertions..
I love you guys,your really to funny

Artful Dodger: it is sad,you're right...this is the stuff that pisses me off,the spending like this....HOW tho,can we,as citizens be heard to tell them STOP SPENDING...we can't...
what kind of cookies???

Artful Dodger: I don't think it is EVER ok to spend that much on something like this...we have people straving,kids getting sick...not so much a homeless issue here,they are all frauds....people loosing jobs left and right...to ME anyhow...this,and I dont care Dem OR Rep...this kind of...again IMO is a slap in the face to the people.
What I was origanally wondering tho...how much of this price tag is security on him?? does anyone know...have there been any numbers or breakdowns of WHERE the moneys are going??

Artful Dodger: and if they slobbered all over Bush you would be all in favor of them

Czuch: what is it excatly that all the money is being spent on for the event?? I heard that is was more expensive then Bush's BUT I honestly didn't hear what they said after that,I was just passing through...is it security??? just bells and whistles?? or both?? I dont feel ANY president incoming deserves to have THAT much money spent on one event.
I also don't feel that every first lady should go through and COMPLETELY redecorate at the tax payers expense..thats just my opionion :)

Tuesday: ohh,hun...it takes TWO gazillion to get any point across here ;) and then still...ehhhh

Tuesday: I was a bit confussed too..when he said that the government doesn't stop anyone from geting married

Artful Dodger: hmmm,they should get a goldfish....10 bucks says the thing would be dead in a week from the girls neglecting it.....and make the relationship with the boyfriend stronger...ROTFLMAO! alot of marriages with ADULTS don't survive a baby...oiy! right then,they need to have an implant of birth control.....no wonder I only have dogs!!

Artful Dodger: yeah,but I don't really thnk it matters WHO is president....we will be attacked again

Artful Dodger: and look at these young girls having babies.....when I was in high school (I am 36 now) I was in....8th grade..one of my friends was pregnant with her first,another girl in my class pregnant with her SECOND and a girl that was an underclassman got pregnant at the age of 12 and delivered the baby right after she turned 13...
I heard stories...back from the 60's ???? where if a teen got pregnant they sent her away to have the baby...maybe that was not such a bad thing,why shouldn't a 12 year old have some shame in getting pregnant...and the parents should REALLY have some shame.Everyone blew a head gasket when that Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant,but come on now,really,lol...look how accepting our society is now of under age girls having kids and kids being born out of wedlock....is it THAT big a surprise she got pregnant?? she is a celeb,thats why EVERYONE knew about it

Artful Dodger: yeah,because Bush has never told a lie in his life...he's awesome,truly da man!!

Artful Dodger: hmmm,THAT is not such a bad idea,the license thing,lol...
Ya know...ya hear people..and I have said it myself,I will admit it...when ya hear of these people on wlefare,addicted to drugs that just keep having baby after baby,and the system keeps supporting them.....people will say...well,they should be fixed so that can't have anymore kids.....I will put MONEY on a bet that almost everyone that reads this board has either said OR knows someone with that opinion.......A local judge here in the city I live,oh,maybe 10 years ago now,sentanced a woman to just that,she had,I think it was her 8th or 9th kid and she was addicted to crack...ALL,not one or two,but ALL her babies were born addicted and where now suffering health problems,all in foster care...the judge said,thats it...your being sterilized,jail,and then rehab.....OMG the people went CRAZY,he CAN'T take away her right to have another baby if thats what SHE wants....well,what about those poor kids born addicted to crack...I absolutly think they SHOULD be made to be sterilzed....even if it is just something like an implanted birth control....SOMETHING! anywho...thats just my 2 cents,for what its worth.

Artful Dodger: but Clinton was impeached for the whole Monica thing?? that was such non-sense too....If Bush isn't worried then he should say investigate away...have at it,have fun!!

Artful Dodger: I don't believe I ever called Bush a war criminal

Artful Dodger: My brother and his wife (she is dead now of cancer) but thye lived with my mum....she worked and supported the entire household,herself,my brother (who is 8 years older then myself) his wife and one,sometimes 2 of her daughters.....I asked him once if either of them had found jobs yet.....he said no,nothing paid good enough....I really didn't and DON'T understand that way of thinking.....$8.00 per hour vs. $0.00 per hour...so instead of both of them going out to find jobs,they sat there letting my mum and welfare carry their weight while both were VERY capible at the time to get a job.In cases like that,the government should DEMAND someone to get a job,or no benifits.
I had left my first husband WAS working but had no medical insurance....I wet to the state for some help...sure,they said,we can help you,BUT we HAVE to give you cash assistance,food stamps and the medical coverage......hmmm,I didn't NEED all 3,JUST medical help...if I didn't take all 3,I got nothing....simple changes like that to our system,I wonder how many millions a year,mayb billions?? it could save our country.
How about people that have 4 and 5 kids and are on welfare..whats wrong with DEMANDING they use birth control? after all,state coverage WOULD provide for it.WHY reward people that keep having kids but sit on their butts all day and do nothing but collect off wlefare that WE pay into...I dunno

Czuch: ahhhhh,I see,but when it was ME that didnt give YOU and AD the "proof" that was good enough in YOUR opinions,you ripped me to shreds.....you needed PROOF or I was...let's see...uninformed.....not able to "debate" merley discuss in "casual conversation" NOT on a debate board.....why do YOU have to produce no proof and yet you and AD demand it from everyone else?? Proof enough for YOU.....maybe,but not for ME......you go saying the homeless aren't REALLY needing any help,then back it up!

Czuch: The black leaders have no interest in moving on and getting past race related issues, they have more vested in keeping racism alive, and they are the biggest racists themselves!
oh goodness...I agree with you...oiy!

Czuch: they are mostly scammers...
proof chuck...PROOF...back up your statements with hard facts

Czuch: I think it is the MAJORITY of the visible so called "homeless" that you see at the highway intersection are frauds!
PROOF Chuck...give us some PROOF...NOT your opionions on this..where is your PROOF to back up this argument????