The Gammon Cube is now OPEN!

With almost 400 players with extablished BKR, and 1,000 players with provisional BKR ratings - Backgammon is the most popular game here at BrainKing.

So The Gammon Cube is a place to discuss the game, have some tournaments, and possible create a team for once inter-fellowship tournaments start. (All are optional - meaning you can join and play in some tournaments but don't need to join a team if you are already on another team).

The Gammon Cube has all 5 of the current gammon games, and will include all the other versions that are yet to come!

EVERYONE IS WELCOME - All Skill Levels - So if you are interested, please come and join The Gammon Cube.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

Has anyone ever heard the variation of Backgammon called "Acey Ducey"? Would love to able to play this interesting game of Backgammon but unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anyone that has it as a playable game on the Internet.
Anyone want to comment?

Just a thought ..... Omega

Acey Duecy?...those are the kind of rolls I've been getting on my end game lately.. ;-)

Acey Duecy: I remember having it explained to me once what this version was, but I forgot - could you explain what the difference are again? Thanks!

Acey Duecy is similar to backgammon race, The main difference is that you have to roll doubles or 1-2 to take your pieces off of the bar. and you get to roll again with doubles or 1-2.

you also have to have all your pieces off the bar before you can advance them

I have a 3 day time limit on a game and the opponent has not moved in 10 days yet the game will not go off my main page. As I only have 20 games, I would appreciate any information or help that can be given. Thanks ~~Cass~~

Well it looks like they guy signed on, started many games and has not been back since.

Currently time out on games are off, so until they are turned on, the games will not time out.

BUT - you may be in luck. Since the other player has NOT completed his second move, you should be able to "Delete" the game without it hurting your rating. (If you bring up the game, it should have a Offer Draw, Resign, & Delete)

If Delete is not there, you may have to ask Fencer to see if he can just remove it for you. You can also resign, but if you do that and not "delete", it may show on your rating.

Hope this helps!

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

I don't think Cass can delete the game until it is her move. Will probably have to wait for time outs to end.

I have 2 timed out games that are still running,,,or something...thank you

hello everyone

Yes Chellee. Fencer has stopped games being lost from timing out, until the problems with the site are fixed.

Thank you Rod... :)

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OK, enough babble. Please keep all new post on a subject of Backgammon or Nackgammon please.

I'll keep all the previous post, but any new post that are just "chat", please post those in General Chat - if they are posted in here, I'll probable delete them.

Thanks!

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

thank you BBW - who wants to read that drivel?

That was the point, through humour. Some people have an irony deficiency it seems. To get back to the point of the board:
I wonder if we should implement a feature where a player can claim victory if they cannot mathematically be beaten. It would save some time, especially in tournaments, if we weren't forced to play to the last roll if the result is already known. Did that make sense?

Also, for what it's worth, I endorse the Acey Duecey nomination. It is more well known than BG race and also more of a unique game. Nice suggestion.

I agree with both of Grenv's points. Claiming victory when unable to be beaten wouold certainly have sped up his own "Grenv's Backgammon Challenge". But implementing the doubling cube would achieve the same result, and make a 5-point or 9-point match a really attractive option.

Please let's have it; it would speed up resignations dramatically!! For rating purposes, a doubled win could count as just that - two wins!!

what do you people think of a pic of bacgamming on an e-card?

the doubling cube was already requested as feature ...

there is some nonsense circulating about the one and only truth
some people seem to claim as their own ... aka philosophy aliens ... :P

actually I'm surprised that the commonly misused rule of restricting
my choice which die to use first comes from different places than
North-Korea - where anything related to freedom might cause pain.

so I am definitely pleased that it is not the brainking rule ...
as nobody from my closer circles uses that gamesense-distortion either.

claiming it as kinda 'pro' is just blonde-pro imho ...
rules are judged by their impact on the smartness of the game, not static.

we call 'our' rules 'pro' of course ... :P

amazingly no player here seems to miss a certain core-rule,
probably too complicated for some of the easy talkers who
don't even know their previous post when nailed to it ... :O

this fiddling in the house after removing of stones started
is children's play and sheer annoying ... our rule:
you may arrange your house-position as long as you haven't
removed any stones yet - then moving must happen from the
highest 'tacken' (as we call the triangles on the board)
to avoid the boredom and cowardliness of evading due strikes ...

to clarify - everything as known even here :D - until the
first stone is removed - that's actually a new phase - and even
if you would love so badly to move a '1' from tacken 4 to 3
you mustn't if you still have stones on tacken 5 or 6 ... ~*~

PS feedback without iyt-bs welcome ...

Danoschek, it is certainly a rule of backgammon that you must use both dice if you can. This means in certain situations you don't have a choice. This little but important rule should be implemented before any other backgammon variants are added IMHO.

yho isn't mho ... again just preaching, no arguments.
why important ?? phrases nothing but phrases ... ~*~

PS
hopefully it will remain an option at least to play the adults variants

for me the whole online backgammon is plain humbug.

it's a game with dice ... important, k ?
and I dare demand to be rolling them myself ...

it's against the spirit of the rules known to me that somebody else rolls
- and least a so-called random-generator with a scheduled agenda ... ~*~

You, or anyone else, can look it up if you like. Here is the official rule (cut and paste). If you find an alternate source to back up the current rule let us know.

(from http://www.cybercom.net/~damish/backgammon/bg-rules.html AND my game rules and any book I have ever read)

"A player is compelled to take his complete move if there is any way for him to do so. If he can take either of the numbers but not both, he must take the higher number if possible, the lower if not."

no message ~*~

What if chess had been implemented without en passent and I was to argue it was a stupid rule? It seems to me you just like to argue for the sake of argueing, or alternatively you are not a backgammon player of any note. Which is it?

haven't I bidden 'feedback without iyt-bs welcome' ??

next candidate please ... intelligent prefered ~*~

what has iyt to do with this? if you're intelligent how about displaying a little?

although it seems kinda silly to me ... a personal impression.

I don't want to disturb yesmen and the official variant ...

no reason though to not implement the option of a real pro-game ...

Fisher tried that for chess too btw - on details, not essentials ...

just to clarify before even more of the obsessive fraction are mobilized ...

I'm not interested in sublimates of your iyt-damage ~*~

Fisher's version of chess was a variant and is not called "chess", but "random chess". If you want to keep this varient of backgammon that's fine, but let's get the official version on the site as well.

I still don't get the reference to iyt.

and I don't disrecommend the official bg-rules strictly ...

still waiting for feedback featuring arguments ... ~*~

I refrain from requesting to implement some artificial intelligence as new
feature for our comrades with such an immense natural stupidity because
respecting board topics is an unconquerable obstacle for hollow ramble-
fanatics and, their dwarfhood of screwing up to personal attacks ... ~*~

hi chellee what would your thoughts on e-cards that has brainking games on them?

I dunno dano...I think a random generator rolling the dice may very well be fairer than some bloke trying to make a fair roll with a pair of dice and a leather cup.

That being said, I enjoy online backgammon and do like the single game and the 5-point variant that iyt developed which implements the doubling cube.

I was there at iyt during the early years before they even had a 5-point backgammon version and when the single-game version had a lot of issues that needed to be worked out. To Pat Chu's credit, he did listen to the iyt backgammon players and developed games very close to what one can experience offline.

Although you are an excellent chess player, and I would never accuse you of using a software progam to determine what moves you're going to make in a game, unfortunately many online chess players do take the sport out of the game and resort to such software when making moves in their games. And although I am a rather decent chess player, I will only play the game when sitting directly across from my opponent due to online cheaters destroying my trust and faith in the online chess game.

I know that there are backgammon move generators such as snowy and jellyfish; however, I cannot recall ever having a problem with an opponent using one in a match.

Whether we play what games we like online based on superstition, faith, or fact, the important thing is that we have rules we can agree on so that the game remains fun even to the end.

Have a good day my friend... :-)

impressions ... no arguments ...

the two dice rule makes the opponent more calculatable,
taking some smartness out of the game thus ...

fiddling in the house after the phase of removing stones started,
violates the spirit of backgammon ( you want out, so the farestmost
pieces have to be go forth if you can't remove a stone ... )
else only cowardliness and boredom take advantage ...

so far the rules that we use for tournaments and my arguments.

regarding chess software ... extensive misuse at iyt is exactly
the reason why I started to play rather the variants preferably ...

have a good week ... ~*~

I had always wondered why you had become a varient chess expert. I guess that explains it. Hmmmm...not a bad idea.

Have a great week as well... :-)

That's exactly why I play the variants as well, not many Atomic chess programs out there I bet!

I'm not sure why protecting from being hit in bg is cowardly. Surely forcing play from the highest spot injects more luck into the game.

what an argument ... ugh :O ... nope, it adds smartness ...
as you cAn decide when you start removing stones... ~*~

Sounds like an interesting variation at least. I'm not convinced it adds smartness. For example what if you roll a 6 immediately, aren't you then forced to start removing right away? Or do you have a rule regarding that as well?

you can't move a six from tacken 6 - the distance to tacken 1 is 5.

and I hardly cAn be convinced that luck is added - au contraire,
it is decreased ... for fiddling more moves fit than for removing. ~*~

So... if you have all your pieces home but haven't started bearing off, and then roll a 6, you can choose not to play the 6? This variation seems to negate the other rule by its very existance. Do you have a name for this variation? Fackgammon perhaps (the f is for fiddling). :)

hopefully soon ... ~*~

1. "for me the whole online backgammon is plain humbug."

Seems like you are wasting your time here then.

2. "it's a game with dice ... important, k ?
and I dare demand to be rolling them myself ... "

Well come over to my place then! Happy to play, according to the published rules, any Friday evening. Please let me know when. I'll be home.

3. "it's against the spirit of the rules known to me that somebody else rolls
- and least a so-called random-generator with a scheduled agenda "

See response to 2 above

4. "preaching again - no arguments ... who would follow stupid rules voluntarily ? :D ... that's why smart people have their own ... not to mention sensitive people who want to sense the dice period ( and roll themselves = not a rule??"

See 6 below.

5. "haven't I bidden 'feedback without iyt-bs welcome' ??"

What on earth is iyt - some sort of mumbo-jumbo to which we normal mortals are not privvy?

6. "next candidate please ... intelligent prefered"

Well I guess that would make at least half the converstion meaningful.

and indeed ... after your post,
mine has qualified as the meaningful half ... ~*~

so people what would u think of e-cards that has all the verryations of backgamming?