I tied that. I guess about a year ago or so. I either did a very poor job or Fencer never got those images.

like Fencer has said - if you can draw graphics for pawns, kings, queens, and parachutists in the four sizes and send them to him, he will add them :-)

its 2 years and still no real Checkers board.:((

Very impressive. I wish Chinook woud update it's Wall of Honor which hasn't been done since 02.

Purple World is having an in-house checker tournament. Come for the tournament and stay for the fellowship. Request an invite if interested.

I played this bright young programmer on IYT and used book..on the 9th move I still had 8 checkers left and none of them could move wothout losing the piece. Everything looked fine but I was sandbagged. He has played in Vegas so he has great natural ability. In our second game he resigned with the board even so he just wanted to try out his program. Still in his teens I think. Awesome player.

I mentioned this because I have seen cases where Nemesis gives false positives. In theory if you are +40 it is a win but I have seen Nemesis give a +40 and then take it away after the opponents next move. And this was after Nemesis recommendation was followed to the letter.

Just one more question. What skills, if any, does the operator require? Does a superior, more experienced operator with a slightly inferior program have any advantage over a better program with a relatively unskilled operator?

In your opinion Ed can WCC be jammed by the one down gambit? Has any human beaten or drawn the new version?

You can send me an invite for an unrated game if you like.

i have never played like this before so i want a quick game to see how you play this way

I have created a new fellowship for people interested in learning this great game. If you want to join please pm me. :o)

http://www.acfcheckers.com/index.html/

I have heard of him. One of the greats. I think what Ed failed to realise is that programs are flawed, its just finding the weak spot in them.

Many of the top players on the gamesites use programs and the average player has zero chance against them. The chances seem to be slightly increased in Pro Checkers but it is still very very daunting. I knew a grizzled old vetran named Richard Fortman who could pretty much hold his own against programs but he had like about 50 years experience. Nice, great old guy.

Thanks Ed, a very fasinating insight you have given me. It shows quite clearly what most average checker players (like myself) don't realise and thats the sheer scale of this great game.
It reminds me of the Tinsley V Chinook match, when Tinsley worked out that the computer could "only" see 26 moves ahead in all variations (millions of moves). So in order to win he was looking 27 moves ahead. A genius.

I was just wondering how long it will take before a computer masters checkers? Thats all. i can't think of a better person to ask that question to.

So what about my other points Ed?????

How about the 2004 American championship in Las Vegas between 2nd August and the 6th or 7th August Ed? This is what I am referring to. Mainly because I am going to visit the event to view some of the action.
Wouldn't you like to pit your WCC against the top programs in the world? It would be a proud achievement to walk away as the best and give you some free promotion for your product.

BTW......You never said how long it would take you and Gil to master the game of checkers???

Maybe I missed your point but I don't see how they are linked. The patent is for a program, I was refering to you taking part in a tourney yourself.
So how long before checkers is mastered then???

Its not a case then of trying to master the game of checkers then?? It's money which motivates you?? I certainly don't dispute you and Gil's dedication to this program but are you not interested in showing your skills face to face, either on a competive nature or otherwise. I will be in Vegas to view some of the play in August, we could have got together for a game.
BTW..How long do you think it will be before you master the game of checkers????

Then my question would be... What's the point of it?? Buying it would be worth it as a substitute for books only. Playing it would be a waste of time.
Why haven't you ever decided to play in the big events Ed??

Thanks for the links. It has been a year since I looked at programs but Cake and Nemesis were the top of the line then. WCC had just come out with a platinum but the highest database I remember was an 8..which was awesome enough.

What about against the new nemisis???

I knew it Ed, You declined the invitation to go to Manchester though. Why???

Thanks for the link. :o)

This is a good checkers discussion board.

http://checkersolutions.co.uk/scgi-bin/bbmat.cgi/index.html

Maybe somebody reading this will help. I wanted to start with Triplejump.com.

If you remember Bill, let me know how to do it. :o)

I don't remember the formula for making links clickable.

That would be great! It is quite hard to play checkers in person & your the opposing player as well. Boring! LOL

I'm going to try and post some clickable links to checkers websites here.

I'm a fairly new player to this wonderful site but after reading some of the posts here, I might be losing alot more games of checkers! LOL

Congratulations to Nomad, who has just been announced as winner this of this tournament, with all sections completed. Congrats James!

Also congrats to Pat (gooner), who was a very close runner up. Great job Pat!

Well done, Immortals :o)

There is only one day to sign up for the prize tourney. We have 34 players already. If anyone else cares to play please message me. :o)

:o)

Not against programs but against any human he would IMHO

Not online he wouldn't. :o)

Program vs Program matches are interesting but over the board face to face matches determines the real champ in my opinion. Looking at some of the old Wylie games of the 19th century before anyone could even spell program I saw some marvelous defensive play. I think he would have a good chance today.

I can only go by face to face play Ed.

What were the results of those games? I once got a King against an old world champ.

I have played George, he is a very good player he wouldn't need a program. Sadly his wife died recently so is taking a back seat. :o(

Was Banks using a program? Was Miller? Were both of them? Or neither?

Thanks for the reminder Ed :o)

Yes, which is what makes George Miller a cut above (most of) the rest.

Absolutely amazing..but it seems to leave little margin for error.

Gothic how do you figure George Miller was able to defeat programs..at least at one time? His play jammed them up from a one down position. Of course that was some time ago.

I was able to download it & it looks intact, pictures and all. I'll check it out. Thanks. :o)

I have the Reader but my computer is misbehaving. Wish there was some other way to see it.

Most humans would walk into those losses with the depth of those openings.

Gothic, we do have a small tournament going now (The Immortals 3-Move Invitational), in which all players have agreed to play the Inferno opening. I agree that more of the same is desirable. Fencer did say that he plans on implementing some kind of 3-move alternative here, though I don't know the specifics or the time-table.