435152: my opponent's last move is 4......Nc8 this move was made on 1 April 2009, 18:41:12...his previous move on 23 March 2009, 16:57:10...It take 10 days to make one move....i hate it, i hate this slow moving game.....he did it on purpose. he just want to win the game by that.....he knows he is no match for me.....

any way, his last move is not bad..... can he match me for the whole game? i could make my move right away, i don't need 10 days for one move, but i won't stay at this site any longer.....

for whom? ho ho ho ho
pretended you are happy just put on dark eye glasses with smiing.. show your teeth with open mouth...
oh yes, i am the great pretender...pretending i am playing well...

how do you know you can beat your opponent? if you have not played a game with him before. ...just look into his games move by move, you ask yourself a question, is his move you expected? can you find another move better than his move? how much better your move compared with his move? if just one move ahead of his, you may not win but you will not lose, if you can see two moves ahead of him, you can beat him for sure.

what kind of game? what kind of player like my opponent? what kind of sport like this? i don't think this is sport. The last move he made is on 23 March 2009, to day is 28 March 2009. He did login and logout many times during this period, now he is using the automatic vacation.............

when i look at finished chinese chess game, what i see is just the final position, i can not retrieve the whole game from the beginning move by move.
the same as when i look at some one's in progress game, i can not replay the game from the beginning...

435152: ALL THE COMMENTS ON MY GAME STILL IN PROGRESS ARE VERY WELCOME

This is a CHINESE CHESS discussion board, isn't it?

i have seen comments on the world class chess game still in progress, the players have no objection at all. the public welcome and enjoy it. the players just worry about how the opponent will cheat with computer help...such as the toiletgate and a GM withdrawn from the tournament after filing a complaint against his opponent using outsite help to defeat him in short moves. ha ha i don't think anything you should worry about if the commemts are on the already made move ....also playing online the chance to cheat with computer or outsite help is unavoiable....why don't you worry about that?

this is my comment to my own game, i play Red:
1 CE3 NG8 2 NG3 RH10 3 NC3.....The first two moves of my opponent were made in the same day, it is flexible, he has the options to play many opennings.......so far so good...not thing wrong with Black....

My last move NC3 has some meaning, i did not want to play by book, the intention is very obvious, my next move will be PC5 or PE5. my opponent stopped here, i think he was looking for references .......

After 3 days (i can't remember exactly how many days later) he made this move 3.....PC6. (this move were made 23 March 2009, 16:57:10) ....4 RI2 ..... My move were made 23 March 2009, 17:06:34....
my message to him:
435152: your move I expected...why you take so long to make this move?
and i see this pop up in Red : Your opponent is using the automatic vacation.

After 4 RI2 ... if 4.........CC8 5 PE5 PC5 i let his pawn cross the river...i would like to see what he can do..............

kleineme: your opponent's move Cannon to G8 is not a good move, because he did not see the position well, actually he is in a winning position even you won two pawns, and his army is very active, his rook at i9 is much better than your rook at A1..If he move his Knight to D5 instead of Cannon to G8.......i am looking at more of your game and post my comments here.

you guys are so good chinese chess players, i can't wait to play with all of you . you beat me as you can. i don't mind to learn the way you play. just show me what you are , how strong you are.

on the board, only win or lose counted, no friend or enemy

sorry i don't have time to teach now even some one said "yes" to me.

forweg: playing online always there are suspect to use computer to cheat. do you know the different between human and computer move?

kleineme: i suggest to have two games between you and me , then i will stay here until i beat you and quit

fakar10: after 2 years+- my reply is that: no good chinese chess player will come here to play...i quit this site the 2nd time now

naughtypawn:
the previous post re: game analysis on 26 October 2006, 15:40:32 supposed to be my last post, but, after i read your post i decided to add one more as my last post here.

> "I got sick of reading so much criticism from you about games other players play. Why not analyze your own games? Come on, tell us how good or bad you are. Or do yoiu pay perfectly?"

i just pointed out the mistakes the other players play, it is not thing wrong with that, if you think that is a criticism it is up to you. in my view, if some one could do the same thing to me i will be very happy to accept that. that way, i know what is wrong with my play, i can learn from my mistake.
i remembered long time ago, every time my teacher pointed out my mistakes , i always said " thanks sir" this is my way to learmn to play my chinese chess, also, it is why i am better than all of your guys here.
i did analyze my own game, if you read the post on 19 October 2006, 435152 vs FromHell, after that post i wanted to see if some one will comment on "my self annotation" of that game, so i still login sometimes, hoping that some one will give me a good idea how to play that game better, or if i missed something that i did not see.

did i play perfectly? how good i am? to tell the true, i am better than most of your guys here. no body is perefect,there are always some one is better than you, but if your opponent see one move ahead of you, you always are a loser, you can not win.


at first, i think the chinese chess discussion board needed a player like me to do more xiangqi game analysis. i do not know that will make some one sick.
but this is my last post. no more.

after i post my "last post" here, sometimes i still login to see if some one will comment on the game "435152 vs FromHell". i could not resist the temptation.

here, i found another game of CryingLoser, the no.1 chinese chess player of this site, i would like to comment on it.
there are many private games, i don't know why they are still a private game, they are "finished games" now.


CryingLOSER (red) vs Kleineme(black) 5 nov 2005
tournament: Glenfiddich(Oriental games vs Lorien)

1.Che3 Nc8
2. Ri2 Cf8
3. Rd2 Ng8
4. Pg5 Rh10
5. Ng3 Rh6
6. Cbc3 Pg6

black should have played Rb10 to control the b-file, if Na3 Ca8..

7. Pxg6 Rxg6
8. Na3 Rb10
9. Rb1 Cb4
10. Pc5 Ege8

should be the other elephant up

11. Rd4 Cb2
12. Rd2 Cb4
13. Rd4 Cb6

red was perpetually chasing black's cannon which is unprotected, if black wanted to keep the same moves, red must stop doing that.

14. Rd9 Gfe9
15. Nc4 Cf9
16. Rd2 Pe6
17. Rb5 Rg4
18. Rd6 Pc6
19. Rd7 Cf4
20. Na5 Pxc5
21. Rxc5 Nce7
22. Nb7 Rb8
23. Cxe6 Rxg3
24. Cxc10+ Exc10
25. Rxc10 Kf10??

black should have played Cf10 instead of Kf10, then everything is alright for black. if 26. Nd8+ Rxd8 27. Rxd8 Rg6 28. Ce5 Re6...

red won this game not because he played well, just because black did not know how to defend.
the game looked like a beautiful game red sacrificed two pieces but he did not calculate accurately.
the sacroifice is not the correct one.

so the loser became a winner

befor i quit this site, i would like to do the self annotation of the following game: i hope to share my view with other players.
435152(red unrated) vs FromHell(black 2222) 2.
5 October 2006, 19:57:18

1.Che3 Ng8
2.Ng3 Rh10

black's move is flexible that may be developed to 12 different openings, for example: 3.Rh1 Ch4 4. Pg5 Ce8 5.Nf5 Nc8....Rh10 is more flexible than Nc8.

3.Nc3 Pg6
4.Pc5 Nc8
5.Rh1

now i have two lines to consider, i decided on Rh1, the other one is Cb5, followed by Pg5 to develop my knight.

5..... Cb4
6. Pe5 Ch4

black blocked my rook with two cannons.

7.Pe6 Ece8
8.Pd6 Nf6

so far so good for both sides, the first 8 moves are all book moves following the theory.

9.Ce4 Rh5?

when i saw this move i was very surprised that my opponent, as the no.2 chinese chess player on the top list, would play like this. his intention is to capture my pawn at c5, if Pg5 Rxg5 or Ee3 Nxe4...

10. Rxh4 Rxh4
11. Cxh4 Cxh4

black lost one move for this exchange. now my next move is to block his rook to control the b-file.

12.Rb1 Rb10
13.Cb7 Gde9
14.Pg5

giving up a pawn to get my horse in play. if black wanted to keep the pawn after knight exchanged,then black has a lone cannon on one side it would not give me any trouble,i just concentrated to block his army on the other side, i felt safe on my right side.

14...... Pxg5
15.Nge4 Nxe4
16.Nxe4 Pf5

black should make that move Na9 now

17. Nf6 Na9
18. Cb9 Ch9
19. Nh7 Cxb9?

we played the last 3 moves quite quickly, black captured the cannon without thinking almost instantly, the reason may be, it looked like a trap red set up to win his rook, if black captured the cannon with rook, then Ng9 check, so he captured with his cannon, he did not know the cannon is poision. he should have played Cf9.

20.Rb8 Kd10

after Rb8, black's army are pinned on one side, he was completely paralyzed and i have my horse(knight) running free at will on the other side.

21.Nf6 Black resigned

this is my last post.

befor i quit this site, i would like to do the self annotation of the following game: i hope to share my view with other players.
435152(red unrated) vs FromHell(black 2222) 2.
5 October 2006, 19:57:18

1.Che3 Ng8
2.Ng3 Rh10

black's move is flexible that may be developed to 12 different openings, for example: 3.Rh1 Ch4 4. Pg5 Ce8 5.Nf5 Nc8....Rh10 is more flexible than Nc8.

3.Nc3 Pg6
4.Pc5 Nc8
5.Rh1

now i have two lines to consider, i decided on Rh1, the other one is Cb5, followed by Pg5 to develop my knight.

5..... Cb4
6. Pe5 Ch4

black blocked my rook with two cannons.

7.

as i said before in my post re:yesterday-brainking.com on 13 October 2006

.....i am going to quit anyway, i decided to quit after i finished the remaining two games.......

now i have no more game remaining, it is the time to quit, i would like to enjoy my life by doing something eles.

this is the chat between KeithGraham and me during the first slow-stair game:

KeithGraham: what is your age?
435152: 72 old man, and you?
KG: it is hard to believe lol, i am 53

Chicago Bulls(red) vs CryingLoser(black) 8 June 2006, Glenfiddich

1.Pg5 Cbd8
2.Ng3 Nc8
3.Ece3 Rb10
4.Nd2 Ng8
5.Rb1 Ri9
6.Nh5 Cxh3
7.Cxh3 Rib9??

this way to exchange rook, black lost more than a tempo, it lost two moves. i wonder why CryingLoser,the no.1 chinese chess player, will play like this. it is a basic for every not so good chinese player.

8.Rxb9 Rxb9
9.Nxg7 Rb6
10.Ri2 Rb2
11.Re2?

red's move was a bad move, his next move is Nb3 to trade rook, black did not know to take advantage of this, black should have played Rc2 instead of Pc6.

i did not want to continue viewing this kind of game....

the question from my previous post should be:
1)one rook + a pawn vs a kngiht or a cannon + complete defendants?
3)one rook vs a cannon + 2 elephants or 2 guards?

the question from my previous post should be:
a rook + a pawn vs a kngiht or a cannon + complete defendants?

Beren the 32nd:
your post on 29 April 2006,23:49:19
>Can anyone share their experience on this question?
If I win a chariot for a horse or cannon early on in the game, should this normally be enough to win the game(if I play well) or does my opponent often have chances to draw(if he plays well)?

for the first question, the answer is, yes. if you play well you could win. as other player also said so, I do not want to add more.
the second question, the answer also is, yes. but no one said anything about this.
you won material in exchange, you trade your knight or cannon for your opponent's rook. a rook's value is equal to 2 minor pieces,(knight+ cannon or 2 knights or 2 connons), some even said a rook is more than that. lets talk about the "one rook" ending, every one knows a rook vs a complete defendants( 2 elephants + 2 goards) is a draw, if you trade every thing and only with one rook vs a knight or a connon, then it is more than enough to draw.
how about the followings:
1)one rook+ a pawn vs a knight or cannon?
2)one rook vs a knight + 2 elephants or 2 guards?
3)one rook vs a cannon + 2 elephants and two guards?
4)one rook vs a knight+ a elephant + a defendant?

danheg:
yes, may be, this is what was in CryingLoser's mind, but what kind of mistake that his opponent made will save him from defeat? ha

a good player knows when to resign, when the game is already decided a good player will resign with no more plays.
the World chess championship which just finished not long ago, Topalov vs Kramnik, all the winning games were not played to the end, the loser just resigned with no more further play at the right time.
playing online chess or xiangqi game, sometimes my opponent won't resign in a hopeless position, i have never urged my opponent to resign, because i do not want to hurt his feeling, he may feel that he was offended.
i have never seen a good player will lost a game like this: red(loser) got checkmate with only 2 pawns, two elephants, two guards, and a king;and black(winner)has one rook,one knihgt,one cannon, one pawn,one elephant,two guards and a king.
do you think red should have resigned long time ago? please quess who played with red for this game? the NO.1 chinese chess player, CryingLoser vs Chicago Bulls, on 9 January, 2006, Confucius says:"Win a one-year membership" event.
the other 3 games against Chicago Bulls also not worth to comment.

when i was browsing around smoeone's profile, i found the no. 3 chinese chess player , Harassed, who wrote a very interesting description:
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Ratings are meaningsless by logic, but somehow they are important for our ego, that is strange paradox. Rating manipulation on this site is so easy and some even abuse that with multiple accounts.

This is only game site, real life tournaments matter more, but they are still just stupid games.

Pity it is easy for us to *know* and to *understand*, but we often cannot act regarding to this even ourselves. But may be one day...

Everything is about psychology. People are competitive. When we see one can, then we try to show them we can,too. Then kind of vortex appears.

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may be their ego are too heavy. ha
they are overrated!-435152 Oct 16,2006

i have played with the no.2 chinese chess player FromHell (2222), then i reviewed the games of the no.1 player Cryingloser(2238), i looked into the 4 games he lost to Chicagobulls. i am not convinced they should be on the top of the list.
one thing i like it, both have a nice nick, fromhell and cryingloser.

blocking and pinning are very useful tactics in playing ziangqi(chinese chess). the rook is the most important piece, like a queen in chess, you must put your rook in action at the opening, so blocking your opponent's rook is a way to get the initiative, the most common way is rook+cannon to block your opponent's rook. on the other hand, if you rook is unprotected, your rook is pinned by your opponent.
there are many way for blocking and pinning depends on the situation.

mangue:
i would like to refer to my game vs FromHell to express my view, that game is still in progress.

your post to Matarilevich on 13 October 2006, 10:27:55
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>about giving a pawn or two to gain tempos:
In some situation, you can give a pawn to gain initiative, like in kings gambit.

435152 vs FromHell
14. pg5 pxg5 15. Nge4 Nxe4 16. Nxe4 Pf5

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>For most of us occidental chess players, we tend to play xiangqi in the same way we would play chess, which is probobaly a handicap sometimes. Asian players, which are far superiors, mostly do not care of losing pawns or elephants or even cannon, because they see the development as a major challenge and do not concentrate too much on material.

17.Nf6 Na9 18.Cb9 Ch9 19.Nh7! Cxb9 20.Rb8 Kd10

the position of that game arrived at move 20 now,i will comment this game later.

if you can predict your opponent's next move you will be ok.
otherwise, your opponent's move is unexpected to you, you are not better.

my expected BKR change in chinese chess:
win:2067(+184),draw:1967(+84),loss:1867(-16)
so my chinese chess bkr is 1883=1600 actual ha

yesterday, right after i sent my post to naughtypawn, something happened i was logout with a blank screen, the first thing come to my mind is : am i banned? if i said something wrong at this site, i did not receive any warning, then i told myself, what the well, i am going to quit anyway, i decided to quit after i finisfed the remaining two games.
to day i login again.

naughtypawn:
> Of course, I play chess. It is my favourite game and I play it for years. I play in a club, in tournaments in team leagues...
why you told me about this, it is not my businese, i am not interested to know. i do not care how many years you played chess, and when you played chess.
i did not argue with you about initiative in chess, because everybody knows about it.

mangue:
>I am not convinced I would lose against a chinese GM with 2 knights handicap. Nor would I lose against Kasparov with 2 knights handicap I do not know...
well, as i said before, in chinese chess 2 knights handicap is played between two players one is much stronger than the other, it is not easy for a beginner to win 2 knights handicap against a GM, it may take a long time to do it, or you never could do it if you can not improve yourself, i have seen many people playing chinese chess for life they could not do it. they are still a layman in chinese chess.
i do not know if you have played this kind of game against a chinese GM before, most likely, you did not, because you learned to play the chinese chess aganist non-chinese player, not a chinese GM, please forgive me if i quess wrong.
It is impossible in chess to play 2 knights handicap, because the development is much slower than the chinese chess, no matter who.

Matarilevich:
you just explained clearly and more in detail, it is exactly what i meant. everybody knows you have to kept up with your opponent for initiative.ha
in chinese chess, the initiative is more important, especially when you play with black which is always one move behind from the beginning.

chinese chess is more an open game than the chess, because of the set up, and the pawn structure are different. the pawns are the queen candidates, so you must pay attention to them. in chinese chess, no promotion for the pawn.

online rating is not the true actual rating, usually online rating is higher than the true one, the highest actual rating now for chess is 2800+, the player is the FIDE world champion Topalov. but sometimes i saw a online player with a 3000+ even 4000+ rating.
so what i see is a 1800 online player =0r< 1600 actually.

naughtypawn:
did i say in chess you do not play for the initiative??
please read my post again
i just said "in chess, you may be ok to do that"
how much you understand the different between chinese chess and chess? what's your online rating in both? how many years you have played chess? i do not ask you about your chinese chess experience.

naughtypawn:
thank you for telling me that something as other players already knew.
you play chess ?

i have played chinese chess with 3 guys at this site, they are all non-chinese players, KeithGraham(United States),FromHell(Bavaria) and Fencer(Czech Republic).
one thing in common, they lost a tempo(move) in exchange, that is, they play extra move to do the same thing.
in chess, it may be ok to do that, Kramnik was doing this by repeatedly moving his queen at the opening stage against Topalov, but in chinese chess, you lost one move, you are in trouble especially in the high level competition.
in chinese chess you play for the initiative, in chess, you play for the pawn.

onigoroshi:
it is impossible to add handicaps in chess. there are no chess grandmaster can play without two knights against any body. the main reason is, the development of chess is very slow compared with the chinese chess, the one play with no knights must play attacking chess right from the first move.

chinese chess is more complicated and less disputative, because of the rule and the board.

i play online chinese chess like an OTB game, i don't read books, i don't analyze the situation by trail and error mothod.
it is pretty that i don't see my opponent's face and no one can shake hand with me.
i don't know what the other guy is doing.
yes, people are playing free style game, it is allowed at this site.

kleineme:
how about the other side have a knight and a cannon?
it is posssible but like the puzzle in actual playing game it is almost won't happen.

when i challenged them for a chinese chess game, all declined.
i should not waste my time to beat those guys.

onigoroshi:
it will be a good idea.
i would like to play without the 2-knights against Fencer.

kleineme:
if you would like to talk about chinese chess, i have more to say.

this kind of game is played between two players, one is much stronger than the other.
it is a game for a beginner to learn how to play defensively with material advantages, and at the same time to learn the offence skill.
i always believe that offence is the best defence, so when you play with a opponent at equal level, you should play attacking chinese chess.

i would like to point out that, to win a 2-knts handicap game against a master is not easy for a beginner, it may take a long time to do it, or you never could do it, if you can't improve yourself.
i would say there are many players at this site they are just a layman.

gringo:
there are grandmaster and master. a master is the one that no one can give him two moves advantage and still beat him.

anyway, there are two kinds of player, one is to learn by playing the game, especially by playing the two knights handicap against the master first; the other one is to learn by the books first.
to day, most people are learning by the books or by using computer chinese chess program.

kleineme:
i should change my wording to make it clear:
if you won against a master who play without two knights, then you can call yourself a first dan, the lowerst ranked player. you begin to know the game, otherwise you are just a layman.

as to two knights handcap game it is played between two players one is stronger than the other.
the center pawn is capture if the piece did it by deliver a check, this is the rule, the center pawn is called "the iron pawn", if it had been moved, then it is no more an "iron pawn"
i don't know how you could play the two knights handicap online, unless you write a special program to do it.
there are one knight handicap, 3 moves, two moves and 1 move handicap etc.