low skill player knows nothing abt chinese chess. how much you know abt commonly used killing technique? " a know "no" player get killed before dawn, before he die he smile" a chinese old saying..
how much you know abt winning endgames? how much u know abt drawing endgames?
these are just basic skill.....

Fwiffo: no, i don't play Go. i also play chess, but i am just a beginner with little experience in chess. All i know about chinese chess i use it to play chess. i think the fundamental principle to play the game is the same. there are some difference between, for example; the board size is not the same, chess is played on a 8x8 board with 8 pawns lined up in front, the most important piese is the Queen and the pawn, chinese chess with 9x10 board w only 5 pawns, the rook is the most important one.
As to Go, this is the most difficult game to play with a 19x19 board. i will compare thses 3 type of game as A B and C. A is the highest in the category.

Fwiffo: it is not a comparison of orange & apple, it is a comparison of real & fade.

Fwiffo: well, it is very confusing, they should not be on the list among the established rating players.
they should be on the list among ALL the provisional rating players
Xiaogou should be the no.1 and Praesident the no.5 on the Provisional list with ALL inactive players

Praesident should be the no.1 on the Prov ALL active players list

Les look at the Provisional inactive players only list, the highest rated player is Xiaogou, his BKR is 2468 with (11/0/4) record:
2006 2 loses to gringo 1694
2005 2 loses to chicago Bulls 2287 BKR=4
11 won games;
1 vs BlitzMe 1886 BKR=45
2 vs Siddhim 1236
3 vs thm14291641
2 vs Spiron 1296
1 vs jian 1183
1 vs talon 1364
1 vs Cogitans 1259

his BKR should be the highest at 5 and the lowest at 46

the other one is Praesident , BKR=4 with a perfect record (4/0/0)
2011 1 win vs dogstar 1334
2010 3 won games:
1 win vs Sattha 1734
1 win vs LDV 1829 BKR=13
1 win vs Keith Graham 1456
all the 4 games he just beat up the weak opponents, his BKR should not be 4, the only one highest BKR he beat is with BKR=13.

SO THEY ARE OVERRATED.

Now i understand why they always accept to play the weak player and avoid to play the stronger one.

you don't play the weak player, how the stronger than you player play you? you may ask this question

In the old day, it has a way to do it, you have to pay to play a game with the pro. and there are some kind of handicap game available depends on the level of you playing skill.
so you have to pay to learn, nothing is free. if they like you, they may pointed out what you went wrong after the game.

it remind me that some kind of players here, they always accept playing with weak players, and they always avoid to play the stronger one, what a shame

what happen after you improved yourself and you can beat your opponent, don't play him again, look for another stronger than you player for a game..

the quality for the good players is, the strong desire to learn and improve himself.

when i was young, my teacher, a chinese chess champion, he told me that stay away from playing with weak player, you never learn anything from them, show respect to a good player better than you, play with them if you can, and talk to them to ask for advise.
never talk to a weak player, you would not learn a thing from them, and you don't know what they are talking abt.... .

To distinguish a GM from a low class/not so good player is, the ability to find the MOVE under Time Pressure.

rod03801: finally, you find the reason to ban me to post here. i have not said that this site is bad or wrong, I just said that some people are abusing the time control system.

I will leave your guys alone. i don't want to waste my time here. if you like just removed all my posts that will make you feel comfortable.

I think you should remove all the posts by 435152 too.

My post is very constructive, only the inferior player sees it the different ways. This is the discussion borad for all. if you have your point just to show it, don't say this is the site for your kind of people only. I pointed out the ways the game should be played. I don't talk abt the gamesmanship only, your guys just playing with the time, not the game. it is unnescessary waste of time why not you just admit it.
your guys just abuse the time control system.
As I said before, this is a site belong to special category. Olympic also has special game.

You pick up this bad habits, you stand no chance to play on life game, of course this is your personal habits, and this is my personal opinion.
playing on line is a less serious form of playing the game. turnbased is the most less serious, it belong to a special category.

rod03801: habits?

I have played total 11 games here, 2 of the games are against Kamagai, one game started 14 March 2011 and ended 20 March 2011, in 6 days I made 51 moves.
Another game started 21 March 2011 and ended 30 March 2011, in 9 days 57 moves were made.

Think about that if I spent 7 days per move, that these two games will last more than one year to finish.

how I play the game? at the begining I spend less time, I only spend more time when the position became complicated, but this is not always the case. After I resolve the problem as I can, I will move fast again, usually one minute to 5 min per move. why I can move with less time? because everytime I ponder my moves, I jugde the position by my experience, I try to find the successive moves in series, it is not just one move ahead, it could be 3 to 5 moves ahead. so I don't need more time for the consecutive moves. my path of move is : move, move , move then stop to ponder again.
all deponds on the different situations ......

so. why need more time to make a move when you are logging in and out, and you waste your time for browing main page, viewing online players, and viewing games etc.. the time you spent doing such thing is enough for you to make a move...unless you are an inferior player, you don't see a move.

rod03801: This time, you are not accusing me to insult all the people doing such act: login and logout without making a move. thank you.

rod03801: I can not just play to myself, I have to play with an opponent. The point is all my opponents doing the same thing...login and logout making no move, just browing main page, viewing online players, viewing games etc....this is not the way the game should be played...
do you think something is wrong with the time control system? you cannot do anything about it...
i know what you will say" if you don't like it go to other place"

As I said before, why need 7 days per move??....this is waste of time...I have watched a game in progress between two top players, both players just login many times during the game but did not make a move. I tell you what they are doing, they are just browing main page, viewing online players, viewing game etc...then I looked at the time per move, it shows 7 days 8 hours left, later 5 days 15 hours left etc....at last they just logout without making any move at all...even it is a must move
they did such thing every time until the time is up to move, then they make their f?@$%&* move it is just a f#$%^& game not worth to watch.....

the previous post is addressed to alms, it is not to myself, sorry abt that.
I should have previewed it before I send it

computeropponen: another game in progress you are playing vs kleineme (black, 2124)....your position is better in my view ..I think he is overrated.

alms: you have played very well as a 1800 player, I think you are underrated.
you are playing against charimo1 (red,1947) the game you are winning...what happened about the move no.31.Ci8 ? your opponent offered you his cannon for free, you did not accept to kill him, I think you don't want to win this way, you want to beat him square.

why need 7 days per move?
one day is more than enough for a whole game
people just login and logout many times but not make a move....I wonder why doing this? for fun?
is this a ghost act?
play ghost ?

alms:
post dated 24 March 2011, 21:21:14 you asked me "Do you play with computer help?"
24 March 2011,21:46:38: "no, I hate the cheater" is my answer
25 March 2011, 02:53:33; I refused to play you at the time you were rated 1310

To day you are rated 1877, and 9 (11) on the rating list, it is incredible.....
based on the way you has played against me in the game in progress, you are playing like a different player...
what is the secret that you improved so fast in a very short time?

alms: Since you have improved to 18xx from 13xx, no matter you beat the weaker opponents to get points, I would like to play you a chinese chess game. I like the guy who can improve himself.
If I beat you then we may have another game, it is a two knights handicap game, did you ask me to play a two knights handicap before?
I am going to invite you

Now FromHell 2278(1) red vs svyel 2237(2) black. They are playing for who is the no.1 in chinese chess here.
I have played these two guys one game each. I played my A game to beat svyel and my B game to lost to FromHell
I have won 2-1 vs svyel on the other site, and I have won 1-0 vs FromHell on this site before..
personally I like FromHell they are very closely match.but I think svyel has slightly better chance to win.

alms: I play the chess game but I am just a beginner, in fact, I am a much better beginner than most of the beginner, the reason is I have chinese chess back ground that make me easier to pick it up. the other reason may be, the chinese chess is a 9x10 board compared with the chess 8x8 board. and I also found out that the development of chess is much slower than that in chinese chess, I would like to say that the chess is more like a positional game and the chinese chess is an open attacking game..... .the chess board ia packed with 8 pwans( more than the chinese chess w/ 5 pawns) lineed up in front, the rook in chess is not in action until the very late endgame...

may be, just may be my opinion that is reason why the chinese produced grandmaters and 4 woman world champions.in chess, and the european have none in chinese chess..

nice to talk to you

Since 21 April 2011 no one has posted here, why? because nobody knows about chinses chess better and has nothing to say abt it....
European play chinese chess they have never produced a grandmaster, not even a world champion. the best european chinses chess player is not better than an average chinese player.
the chinese play the european chess, they produced some Gms and 4 women world champions so far.

there are handicap games regarding steps or moves: one move, two moves and 3 moves...
the one move handicap game is that the weak player always move first, it can be played online.

for the two moves handicap game, the weak player cannot make two moves consecutively online, the usual way is the stronger player move the king twice(up and down) i.e.1) Ke2 ...... 2) Ke1 ......

I have no idea how to set up the 3 moves handicap game online

3 moves almost = a knight

the step or move or may be a tempo is very important in chinese chess than in chess.

the chinese chess game is played on the more open battle field, not like the chess the battle field is pack, and the development is slower...that is why there is no such game like two knights handicap game to be played in chess....

the basic of the chinese chess game not every one understand, even a 18xx player still make this kind of error.
a player with 30 or 40 yrs experience does not mean a good player, he may just repeat the same mistake for 30 or 40 years.

here is a game Pedro Martincz red 1839 vs chessik black 1689

1) Che3 Ng8
2) Ng3 Pg6
3) Rh1 Rh10
4) Cec3

only the first 3 moves are without mistake, the 4th move is a error , red lost a step here......

As I said before on my post dated 9 March 2011, I have no friend and enemy here, especially with the discussion board moderator or webmaster.
I don't want to have any relationship with them who oversee the discusssion board and the site, and they has the power to ban me from playing and talking abt chinese chess game.

I have my true story to tell, it happened when I was on the other online site, I became a friend of someone, one day who sent me a private message like that " I tell you a secrete, but don't tell anybody I have another nick" " what is that?" I replied " it is axxx" I was stunned, the axxx was the one who always sent me the message with foul language..I did not know how to react, after awhile, I responded " thank you for telling me that "
since then I stopped talking with that guy....

another true story about playing a game against a weak opponent, during the game he sent me a message like that " my grand ma is not happy" I was very surprised " why u telling me abt that?" I asked "she lost the game every time " he said " I have nothing to do with that, what can I do" " you beat her all the time, she play for me"....'' I know what to do" was my final word..and I lost the game...

Playing online you don't know with whom you are playing the game or talking to, every one just a nick, a friend could be an enemy....they are not real thing...some times i feel like playing a game with a ghost...it disappeared during the game suddenly...

I have an idea how to set up a "Two knights handicap" game online.
This kind of game is played between two players, one is stronger than the other, the stronger player play without two knights to make the game competitive..

For this to be possible, you and your opponent have to make the following moves:
the stonger player as Black and the other as Red who move first...
1) Cxb1 Cc8
2) Cb3 Cb8
3) Cxh10 Cg8
4) Ch5 Ch8
5) Ch3 .......
Now is the Black's move and the so called "two knights handicaps" game is set up

There is the "Iron center pawn" rule, it provide some protection for the center pawn because of lack of protection from missing two knights.

the center pawn only can be captured with a direct check, for example, Cxe7+ or Rxe7+

It is a idea to train the weak player how to defend with material advantages...especially for the beginner....

Tips of the day no. 21 by TeamBundy
Play a game in real time with an online opponent !
For this to be possible you and your opponent have to select the action "Move and stay here" as default and then reload the page with the F5 key.

I don't know what he is talking about " real time" !

this is only the idea of how to play online with both players are not alllowed to logout during the game....

it is a good idea ...so many people all the time log in and log out during the game...but your opponent has to agree to do the same thing...it is hard for them because they got used to do such thing " login and logout "....

rod03801: you like to stir things up...we have an argument about my post on the stairs discussion board....over there.you were trying to say that I am insulting all the people at turnbased sites....I know what is in your mind if you can find a reason you would ban me from playing here.
you are a very sensitive guy

FromHell: once more , I think you are a humble man
now you are the no.1 player on the established BRK list
If you consider yourself a layman, actually you are insulting all the others rated below you.
my advise is that don't be so humble

FromHell: it is my language problem, sorry I made you feel that way
what I have in mind is those guys i don't want to talk to...

FromHell: don't get me wrong i don't consider you are a layman at all...you defeated me in one game...what i wanted is to talk to a good player like you.
the subject is already on the discussion board why i have to send you a private message
i don't have anything in private to talk to you.

rod03801:
who is the beginner or layman here? I am just talking something in general term, that is an old saying in chinese chess
I did not insult anyone only if he himself admitted he is a beginner or layman.

Talking to a beginner or layman is like
"playing piano in front of a cow"
it is an old say in chinese chess

Here is a game played by two chinese grandmasters in 1982, Hu Rong Hua played as Black against another chinese GM.

Mr.Hu was a 10x chinese chess champion, and he is considered as the Bobby Fisher in chinese chess. He commented on his own game...

THe following are the moves;
1) Cbe3 Cbe8
2) Nc3 Nc8
3) Ra2 Rb10
4) Rf2 Rb6
5) Ng3 Ng8
6) Ri2 Ei8
at this point Hu commented.
Red Ri2 and reserved the move Rf7 it was flexible. Black Ei8 also had its deep idea. if Pg6 then Red Rf7. now if Red still made that move Rf7, Black responded with Ch6 and black would have advantages......

At first I did not understand what was Mr.Hu talking about..later I spent sometimes to look into the game to figure it out.

I am not a grandmaster as good as Hu. what he was talking I could not understand right away , because I am not stand at the same ground and not in his class.. can you figure it out?

This post is not respond to any one.
I don't talk to any one who has no desire to improve himself and I don't play any one rated 1859 / No.9 or below that.. this is my principle now
I did send an invitation to a player rated 1859 before when I was unrated but he considered himself too strong for an unknown player like me and refused to play me...

who says unrated player don't play and not interest in discussion of the game??

My last post about why silence of this discussion board,my intention is to talk to FromHell only
you have to talk to someone at the same ground with the same knowledge & playing skill of chinese chess
and understand each other what is talking about....

Here is a game played by two chinese grandmaster in 1982, HU Rong Hua PLAY black against another GM , MR

FromHell:
Why just a few people talk at this discussion board ?
According to your estimate there are only 64 chinese chess players on the established list and only abt 20 would like to talk abt anything on this board....

here are the actual numbers of players on the lists at the monent......
for chinese chess
Established BKR 61 active players
Provisional BKR 104 active players
Established 213 Inactive
Provisional 642 inactive
how many unrated players ?

Beren the 32nd has post on this board , he
is NO.139 on the Pro inactive list
he also is no.126 on the chess list

what i meant is that every one has chance to talk at this board including those unrated players.


For Chess
Established 695 active players
Provisional 847 active players
Established 2676 inactive
Provisional 6507 inactive
unrated players ?

I also found the chess discussion board people just chat to each other with no specific subject abt chess

the reason for the "Silence" at this board, I think it is because people are not willing to talk and they have nothing abt chinese chess in mind to talk abt.
it depends on how much they know abt the game....

it is only my opinion.....

My interest to play here is decreaseing
After finishing these last 3 games...no more


during the game people just log in and log out many times...so often .
it is like when you are making love your partner wanted to stop
there are so many interruptions ..your sex desire is gone..

I do not play with computer help
I repeat

alms: you have asked me a question " Do you play with computer help? " same as you asked me if I am a cheater. My answer is " no, I am not a cheater"

The French Chess Federation suspends players accused of cheating, they found the evidents that the players were using outside help during the game. They called this is guilty of violation of sporting ethics .

Is computer help considered cheating? on any online game site or online turnbased site, because you don't know what your opponent is doing, it may not be a cheating at all. so many things people are doing here are not allowed in the real chess or chinese chess world. such as using computer program, looking at text book for reference, putting pieses on the board to find the moves by trail & error, move back, touch the piese and not move it etc......

I believe we are all doing it...are we all cheater?

alms 1310 invited me for a chinese chess game that I refused...the reason is I don't want to beat up a very weak opponent
I have sent Invitations to 4 guys (tenuki 2186, Kleineme 2121, mirari 2030 and jimbone 2110)
they all declined, what is the reasons I don't know.

alms: no. I hate the cheater... that is why my user ID is computeropponent ...but who knows who is using the computer to play here....

A computer user won't use such as my user name ...a cheater always hide its wrongdoing....

sorry I don't want to play you ...thanks for your invitation...you should challenge some one just not much stronger than you

all the games were finished vs the top 3 players on rating list

the results are: I won against svyel in a unrated game and Kumagai in 3 rated games but I lost to FromHell....now my rating did not change it is still 2442 I think FromHell should be rated higher than svyel ...right now they are both rated the same with 2236 pts.

actually I don't care abt the BRK rating at all

I just refused to play a player with 1300+
sorry about that.

What is OTB game ? it is Live or Real game, two players are facing each other playing the game over the board....It is complete different ways of playing the game from a turnbased game,.

1) players are face to face
2) no computer aid reference text book to look at
3) touch & move
4) no trail & error
5) time controls....1 to 5 minutes per move, the game finished in hours....not days. months or even years..
6) sportsmanship---shake hands

When my opponent is online and I saw this message..playing game Chines Chess ( ??? vs computeropponen)
I would like to sit in front of the monitor watching the game to get a little feeling of playing the OTB game.

the time controls is very important for OTB game, so many games are decided by blunder or can not find the correct answer under the time pressure...

Time pressure ! hah hah

Beren the 32nd:
your first post : " Any particular reason why you are using this discussion board to talk so much about yourself......." Sorry I copy your post, words here but this is a discussion board....
as I said before, I like to talk about chinese chess but most people just wantd to keep quiet
Almost a post a day, it gave you such a impression that I am just talking abt myself, actually every thing I have talked about is chinese chess related.....

This is an unrated game only last 14 moves and svyel resigned when he was losing a cannon.

I would like to share my view for the last two crucial moves

on move 12 Rc6....if 12.Rxa6 Nc7 Black is better, gave up a rook for atttacking...
12. .... Ege8 ..very bad move, after the forced exchange of rook, Black end up to lose a cannon...
Better was Nc7, 13 Rxc7 Rxd6 14. Rxc8 ...in this case, Black lost a cannon but kept the another cannon at e4 and the red knight was pinned at e2....

It is a surprise that the Moderator of chinese chess discussion board who did not play a single chinese chess game
how much he knows about that game ?

Beren the 32nd:
I will do that.... but which one game you considered it is your best game ?