Carl: I don't agree. Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers. I will continue to play all my games out to the end. Sorry if that's poor etiquette wherever you live. That being said, i do not wait until time almost runs out before i play again. I finish it right then and there.

Czuch: Yeah, but personally I hate it when I win by timeout. It doesn't feel like a real victory.

If I realise I will lose the game in the next few moves I play it to the end. If I see I will lose but it'll take a long time I resign. What's the point of dragging a tournament just in case my opponent makes a stupid move or times out?

Carl: not true.... you can always win by a timeout too

awesome: Nobody ever won a game that was mathematically impossible to win either.

wetware:

I'm sure it's a personal thing and quite sportsmanlike but, nobody ever won a game by resigning....

Tuesday: Perhaps it's time I posed this question to my sports psychologist:
why are my 2 favorite sports/games (curling and chess) ones in which resignation in the face of virtually certain defeat is appropriate and expected (as opposed to the majority of contests--which are played until time expires, specific goals are reached, or a certain number of points are scored, etc.)?

I'm not sure it's merely a coincidence; this may be more a matter of temperament.

i usually play on my games until the very end .. although i sometimes already know there wont be a way for me to win anymore

the reason for that is that i like to get a feeling with the end stage of the games .. for example in backgammon i play it on till the end to see wether a gammon or backgammon would be won or what the consequences of the positions would .. and how my opponent handles the end stage

the same for chess games .. i am not a good chess player .. therefore i play it on to see how and end game can be played

in games like dice poker i resign when i am too many points behind .. the same for reversi where i can count out the number of pieces which we will both have in the end

though when i notice that my opponent can reach an achievement then i wont resign and play on
(for example the achievements in dice poker can only be obtained when you win the game and not when your opponent resigns ... so when my opponent has all the bonusses i do play it on till the last move)

i would consider it a bad manner if i would resign such a game .. if i really want to resign i send a message to my opponent if i can resign on the next move ..1 more move wont matter

its good manner and good etiquette do place yourself in your opponent position and think of what (s)he might prefer you to do .. then weigh it against your own wishes .. and make a good decision .. or discuss it with your opponent

There's something I really detest: You get a winning position against an opponent, you know you won, he knows you won, and instead of pressing the resign link he lets the time run out. Now that's asocial behaviour!

does anyone know hat has happened to Kardinal?
he is timing out in a lot of games and still has auto vac on .

alanback:Massacre Chess has this clear advantage that there are no "empty", endless moves ... you either capture or say goodbye ... however, everything can change in the last several moves when situation on the board looks badly ... so, play till the end ...

tfra11:I would say also that there is a difference between quitting and acknowledging the inevitable.  In backgammon in particular, I will resign only when I have no mathematical possibility of winning.  To resign earlier would be quitting.

I would go so far as to say that in other games, such as chess, you should resign a clearly lost position because to play on implies you don't think your opponent has the ability to play out the clear win.  Of course, the question whether a game is "clearly lost" requires some realistic evaluation of the opponent's ability.

tfra11: Bad manners are bad manners regardless of where you were raised.

tfra11: Ah. As I got it it is in your ratings advantage to finish the hopeless games sooner as the wins.

tfra11: It is,nt poor etiquette. It is good manners to resign a game you cant possibly win.

Carl: Okay, i guess things are different in other countries. I was raised to never quit, but if it's poor etiquette elsewhere, i can live with it.

I resign a game that I too know Im going to lose so I don't waste time.. Isn't it still an achievement for the winner if I resign? I thought it was. it is still a win for them

tfra11: You want me to drag on a lost game for god knows how long, on the off chance that my opponent may get an archievement? Get real. If that's going to be the effect of archievements, I hope they'll disappear as soon as possible.

I play for as long as I think there's a realistic chance of archieving a result other than a loss. Otherwise, I resign. I'm here for the game play, not for pushing buttons or archievements.

tfra11: I consider it very poor etiquette to continue in a game that has obviously been won by the other player.Besides,as a pawn with only 20 games to play at once wouldn't you be annoyed if a player waited until the last minute to play a pointless move in a game they could not win?

tfra11:It is good manners to resign a hopelessly lost game.  You've done all you can do to win at that point, and the rest of the game is just meaningless dice rolls.  There are many people who are annoyed at players who drag lost games out just for the sake of postponing the loss.

I love the site and the fact that you can make unlimited moves. The only downside seems to be the amount of people on the site that won't finish a game when they know they have lost. I'd like to earn the achievements and you can't do that when people always resign the game on you. Please just finish it out, who knows, maybe they'll timeout on you and you'll win the game.

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Ok, I got it now, Thanks to all

Bluefin: N game/win matches already alternate colours. No need to specify this again.

Bluefin: If you selected a 2 game match, the second game will start after the first is finished and will automatically alternate the second game to the other color

Thanks for the info. What I wanted was to play a single opponent a two game match ,alternate colors.

Bluefin: If you choose 12 games with alternate colours, the server will create 12 separate games, 6 with white and 6 with black. If you choose 2 games, it will create one of each.

If you want a match against a single opponent that consists of several games in a row, choose the 4th option (the one just above the chat box).

Bluefin: Depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe the option you want is to have a match with 2 games? (As opposed to a single game match, the default option).
The check box you mention is for when you create multiple games/matches to have them start in alternating colors (so, if you create 8 games, 4 will start and white and 4 will start as black).

When I post a game of chess and select the box for alternate colors, I only get 1 game of the color selected, or 2 single games. what am I doing wrong?

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AbigailII:sorry, I made mistake ... what I meant was: if there is no move during 30 days period game should terminate ... I can't imagine playing one move a month using internet ... my move would go even faster thru Atlantic to Europe using kayak ...

ChessVariant: 30 days should be absolute maximum for a game

Well, that may work if you play most of your games against your buddies at school, who are available to play for about the same hours as you do. But on a global site as BK, any game that moves faster than 1 move/day is a bonus. Even if you spend 12 hours a day, from 9 AM to 9 PM monitoring your game list, moving within a minute if you have games to play, and your opponent also spends 12 hours a day doing the same, there's still no guarantee the game moves faster than once a day. People live in different timezones, and play during different times a day. Some people only play from the office - others do actual work and only play from home.

MadMonkey: I will delete it.

Fencer: IS this one part of the same problem, it says Waiting, (he has since yesterday morning lol) yet the games have started

Madhouse 2009 - Week 24 (Backgammon)

It should be fixed for all future tournaments.

Roberto Silva:the main page it says there are 9 players on the tournament, but I only count 8.


I wonder if that is the crux of this problem? Maybe someone had signed up and then removed themselves, or been removed by the creator just before the start, or something like that?

ChessVariant:sorry to interfere .. my suggestion is to do as i do now ..
i sign ONLY for tourneis with no vacation allowed, tourney with the fisher clock or with 2 or 3 days max per move
i have tourney on from 3 yrs ago ......pple dont move quick so i had to change the way to play
only fast tourneis including pond

Babe68:I am not an expert in all those vacation/time for move/time for game issues ... but you are right it has to change ... I was once playing chess on another site, than quit playing my games, came back to the same site after several months and my time was still ticking and the other guy was (at least I think so) waiting for my move ...  it's idiotic ... I am playing now backgammon and my opponent moves every second day ...
my question is ... what is the pleasure of playing such a dynamic game for weeks or months ?
I understand it's turn based site but common, 30 days should be absolute maximum for a game ...
after 30 days it should be over ... if you are traveling constantly and have no time to make 1 move in a week than please do not join a game ... start collecting stamps or something ... they can wait ...
Andy.