new poll ? what do you think ?

MadMonkey: it's also peoples choice to end their lives jumping from a skyscraper but my choice is to say it doesn't make sense ... while living 4 years in Austria I used to buy one schinken semmel
and it was delicious ... there was no other choice (for what?) ... here in the USA I have 30 choices at Subway and do you think I feel better ? If you do, it means you never tried european bread and ham ...
I hope I expressed well what's on my mind ...
Andy.

rod03801: ok, we agree and now we cab stop this discussion .. this is what I really wanted to hear from you.
thanks,
Andy.

rod03801: You said: "I have agreed with you that a vast majority of card games would not work out here."
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And I am talking about vast majority not about table-top-implementations of card games ... which in a sense are table or board games using cards to "move around" ... if you want to treat seriously card games in turn-based site you better be prepared to open your notebook and make notes ... otherwise, it will be just discarding and drawing without any sense ... if majority like this kind of nonsense, that's fine. I am warning only of awaiting us disappointments.
Andy.

rod03801: someone has to "manufacture" a software for this new trend ... stop making this impression that this is something what we cannot live without and push Fencer to follow the crowd ... there are many gaming sites that are from the same candy-like factory ... I never stay long there, just register, look around and leave ... you know why ? because they do not have a soul, they are the same product like mac, burger king and cheap disney ...
Andy.

SEAWOLF2: You are wrong. Here are your words:
"AS WITH ANY CARD GAMES TRYING
TO REMEMBER DISCARDED CARDS
AND SUCH IS EASIER IN REAL TIME PLAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TURN-BASED STYLE. "
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it's harder to remember and this is what makes card masters and the crowd ... in turn-based card games it's impossible to remember discards when you make a break, even 1 hour, not even mention days or weeks ...
and this is the way you make remembering easier, but this is cheating not remembering ...
If you want to remember you HAVE to make notes and this feature creates different kind of game ... it's no longer card game we know and enjoy ... true card players will never accept turn-based system ... of course, you make available, but this is like warming up ice cream in microwave ... it's possible but it makes no sense ...
Andy.

coan.net: it's ok, but correspondence way of playing started with chess, which was quite obvious choice ... other board games joined the whole story ... and it's still ok ... card games by their very nature are played fast ,,, there is not even one card game that uses time control of any kind ... I hope you got the point ... but, you are right, let's stop this stupid discussion.
Regards,
Andy.

coan.net: I am just expressing my opinion the same way that supporters of turn based card games do ... there is one big difference though ... I gave a big deal of thought to this subject and the rest just want to see cards on the screen thinking everything will be all right ... It won't be and I know after a while the new wave of criticism will flow into discussion boards ... too long vaccations, hey, "he is not discarding", "she is not melding", hey, I am waiting 2 months for stupid click on the deck and so on and on ... beside this turn based card games create a whole new breed of games ... why ? it's simple ... you are not allowed at the Gin table to make any notes, to use any tools to help you ... playing on-line in turn base system you basically are allowed to cheat ... this is not card game anymore, this is cheating ... I am analysing and creating games for years and know what kind of dynamics resides in particular genre ...
Andy.

ScorpionOct64: No, marking cards already discovered would spoil the whole idea of this game ...

Table Top Cribbage ... this the only card game that I can see played on a turn base site ... Poker can also be played this way on a 5x5 board ... please read a link to Table Top Cribbage.
http://www.pagat.com/domino/ttcrib.html

Hi, I am a certified cribbage judge at American Cribbage Congress and play cribbage in a league.
Interesting thing about cribbage is that this game unlike any other card games do not require players to use their memory ... it's a very fast game and it takes around 20 minutes to get to 121 point on a board ... it's basically a racing game ... i was trying to imagine how to play it on turn based site ... ok, I sit by the table with my son, we cut, deal and discard ... now, my son says, ok, see ya tomorrow, I am takin vacations ... tomorrow he comes, plays a 7, I play 8 making two points for 15 and my son says, see ya in one hour ... after he comes, playes 6 and scores 3 points for a run a I say, I have to go to work, see ya after dinner ...
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my question is : do you want to play such a game ?
it just doesn't make sense ... I love cribbage but this is not chess to meditate hours na hours on the next move ...
Andy.

rod03801: card games are closed games and they relay on memory and rapid respose ... after few days of waiting for a discard or bet from opponent the whole beauty of card game is gone ... do not fool yourself ... by looking at the discards you get idea and plan for your game ... if you won't make notes you will forget what you had in mind ... it doesn't make sense,
in chess and any board game it's fine to waitfor opponent's move but not in a card game ... in a board game nothing is missing, everything is in front of your eyes, today and in two years from today... card games are different spieces ... differentr dynamics.
Andy.

guys,wake up !!!! Cards by their nature belong to closed games category ... you would have to make notes basically after each move ... after one week waiting for opponents discard you will be sick and tired of the game ... wake up !!!
Andy.