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18. Julho 2010, 08:04:09
Papa Zoom 
The quote is attributed to Lyndon Johnson by Ronald Kessler in his
book ?Inside the White House?.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671879197/amzna9-1-20/ref=nosim/102-1386346-4868906?dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ%26camp=2025%26link_code=xm2

On the amazon site you will see a reviewer writes ?Once, while on a
trip with two governors, Johnson reportedly made the following comment
in explaining why the civil rights bill was so important to him. He
said it was simple: ?I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two
hundred years.? ?


The quote is also mentioned on Page 6 of ?Can America Survive? by Ben
Stein, Phil DeMuth.
The search inside facility (?200 years?) will take you to the relevant page.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1401903339/amzna9-1-20/ref=nosim/102-1386346-4868906?dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ%26camp=2025%26link_code=xm2


One blogger reports that the quote in the book is third-hand.

?To be fair, the Lyndon B. Johnson quote is third hand, reportedly
said by Johnson to two governors aboard Air Force One. The
circumstances are reported in Robert Kessler's book Inside the White
House.?
http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/2004/07/from_the_washin.html

18. Julho 2010, 07:47:43
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
Modificado por Papa Zoom (18. Julho 2010, 07:50:06)
Jim Dandy: Frankly I haven't read it in it's entirety. It seems that it plays heavily on the use of sarcasm. It seems to me that he was trying to make a point and he didn't chose the best way to do it. But I don't see the ultimate point of your question. If you plan to take this letter and turn it into "see, the Tea Party IS racist" then you are either deceitful or unwillingly ignorant. If you only mean to say that this man used poor judgment to make a point, then I would agree.

I think Williams attempted to make a bigger point but some of the things he wrote could have been taken in ways that seem racist.

But aren't you getting tired of these lazy accusations of racism? The left plays this card so often that when I hear it now, I just smile and say, "there they go again." How predictable.

The Tea Party is NOT a racist organization. And it will take more than one misguided letter to demonstrate a consistent pattern of racism. In fact, you can't demonstrate anything close to that.

But weren't we talking about the Democratic party and their L O N G history of racism in the US? Yes, we were. And history clearly shows that racism was a Democratic behavior. It seems to me you are ignoring all my posts and facts presented and doing what most liberals do: change the subject.

Some will make a big deal of the letter. And maybe they should. But it reflects NOT on the Tea Party as a whole, it reflects on Mark Williams.

That cannot be said of the Democratic party. They were up to their armpits in racist actions.

People might like to point to President Johnson and all the civil rights legislation his administration put forward. But look closer and you will see a politician that realized he could win the "n word" vote by buying them with legislation that only seemed to be steps forward. Johnson admitted to this. "I'll have them damn "n word" voting democratic for 200 years when I'm through." Somewhat paraphrased but that's what he said.

So what about that letter? The left will make it a big deal while their own racist history gets swept under the rug.

18. Julho 2010, 07:21:32
The Col 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: what's your opinion of "that letter"

18. Julho 2010, 07:05:58
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: ohoh
A GALLUP poll released today places Sarah Palin above all other likely Republican candidates with regard to popularity and favorability.

Today's poll also revealed that all Americans favor Palin by 44% to 47% who do not.

The guts of Palin's 2012 potential sit with Obama's current status. GALLUP's approval rating of Obama shows 44% with a disapproval of 48% -- which sets him very close to Palin.

Statistically, if Palin and Obama ran against the other today, not one stands a better chance above the other


17. Julho 2010, 22:00:32
Mort 
Assunto: Re: If so we would have known by now
Tuesday: because many would take the news we ain't the top species of the universe .. very badly.

17. Julho 2010, 21:49:38
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: What about that letter?

17. Julho 2010, 21:44:41
Mort 
Assunto: Re: If so we would have known by now
Tuesday: No we would not. That we know we live in a universe is something that was found out less than 60 years old. We know so little, that the ability to find planets around other stars is less then 10 years old. Pluto was reclassified not long ago as the existence of other planets (dwarf planets) beyond Pluto has been confirmed as the tech to see that deep in our own local space has gotten better.

As for official confirmation of ET visiting.. that was confirmed in a sense not that long ago when an Canadian ex minister whistle blew the USA cover up.

17. Julho 2010, 21:31:16
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: Because we are complex, unique and have free will.
Tuesday: I don't believe there are other ppl on other planets. If so we would have known by now.

Joke of the day.

17. Julho 2010, 10:12:23
Mort 
Assunto: Re:
Ferris Bueller: I saw Glen Beck yesterday state that there is some racist element in the Tea party. It's no good (in his opinion/fox news opinion) stating there is no racist element as that would be a lie.

17. Julho 2010, 09:34:15
The Col 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: ok, how about that letter I mentioned?

17. Julho 2010, 08:12:52
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?

17. Julho 2010, 08:10:47
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Re:
Ferris Bueller: And the Democrats STILL issue policies that are racist in many ways. And it's the left that routinely plays the race card. Speak against Obama and you're a racist. Speak against Obama if you are also a black person, and you are an Uncle Tom. This nonsense comes from people on the left. And there are LOTS of them. Obama's base.

17. Julho 2010, 08:07:28
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I am Weasel is the name of the cartoon I guess. See my profile. I'm just going with the flow.

17. Julho 2010, 07:59:20
Ferris Bueller 
Yep.  Before the 1960s and the Civil Rights movement, the Democratic Party, particularly in the South, was a very racist party.  Conservatives ruled the Dems in the South after Reconstruction.  The "yahoos" began swithing to the Republican Party in the mid to late 1960s largely because of Nixon's Southern strategy.  Between the Civil War and this time, there was no GOP in the South.  So, yes, Democrats were very racists and the KKK started and was perpetuated under their watch.

17. Julho 2010, 04:06:06
The Col 
Assunto: Re: Why talk of race?
Modificado por The Col (17. Julho 2010, 04:09:31)
I am Weasel: Are you speaking of Mark Williams " letter to Abraham Lincoln" ?

just a style suggestion, how about "I am the Weasel" as in "I am the Walrus"

17. Julho 2010, 02:57:58
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: So you see (if you're honest)
The reason that a discussion of race is important is because there are those on the left that are playing the race card with increasing frequency. Even if they have to create racism and blame it on the right, they are not above such things, as the posts below clearly show.

17. Julho 2010, 02:53:10
Papa Zoom 
Far-left Think Progress Fabricates Examples of Tea Party Racism for Bogus Video
by Lachlan Markay
Liberal activists are so desperate to paint the Tea Party as racist that some, apparently, are willing to fabricate evidence and fallaciously draw unsupported conclusions to support their point.

Lee Fang, a writer for the far-left blog Think Progress, recently posted a video purporting to show racism at Tea Parties. But the video was a total fraud. It took statements out of context, claimed racism where there really was none, claimed liberal plants were authentic members of the movement, and even used video from 2006, three years before the movement existed!

Liberal writers at the Nation and the Huffington Post, as well as former Fox News cohost Alan Colmes all trumpeted the Think Progress video as evidence of Tea Party racism, despite the easily-verifiable evidence to the contrary.

One activist, who says he's "proud to be a racist," is a well-documented Tea Party "crasher" -- one of the tremendously unsuccessful (despite Think Progress's best efforts) counter-protesters that attempted to infiltrate rallies and pose as racists and other undesirables.

In a video titled, ironically, "Proof that the Tea Party is not racist," this man is singled out, hounded, and chased from a rally. The video is six minutes long, so there is no way that Think Progress spliced out the portion that it did without seeing the context -- without knowing that this man was a plant. No matter, he fit the narrative, truth be damned.

17. Julho 2010, 02:21:46
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: That said, here are some facts about racism and the Democratic party.
It's history folks. And it's NOT that long ago. But it's being ignored. In fact, most of you here will excuse this away or simply ignore it.


The Ku Klux Klan, Terrorist Wing of the Democratic Party
by Michael Zak
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) has falsely accused the Tea Party of having ties to the Ku Klux Klan. Speaking at the NAACP convention, she said: “All those who wore sheets a long time ago lifted them off to wear Tea Party clothing.”

Now is the time to speak some Truth to Power.

It would have been far more truthful for the congresswoman to have admitted the fact that all those who wore sheets a long time ago lifted them to wear Democratic Party clothing. Yes, the Ku Klux Klan was established by the Democratic Party. Yes, the Ku Klux Klan murdered thousands of Republicans — African-American and white – in the years following the Civil War. Yes, the Republican Party and a Republican President, Ulysses Grant, destroyed the KKK with their Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871.

How did the Ku Klux Klan re-emerge in the 20th century? For that, the Democratic Party is to blame.

It was a racist Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson, who premiered Birth of a Nation in the White House. That racist movie was based on a racist book written by one of Wilson’s racist friends from college. In 1915, the movie spawned the modern-day Klan, with its burning crosses and white sheets.

Inspired by the movie, some Georgia Democrats revived the Klan. Soon, the Ku Klux Klan again became a powerful force within the Democratic Party. The KKK so dominated the 1924 Democratic Convention that Republicans, speaking truth to power, called it the Klanbake. In the 1930s, a Democrat President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, appointed a Klansman, Senator Hugo Black (D-AL), to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the 1950s, the Klansmen against whom the civil rights movement struggled were Democrats. The notorious police commissioner Bull Connor, who attacked African-Americans with dogs and clubs and fire hoses, was both a Klansman and the Democratic Party’s National Committeeman for Alabama. Starting in the 1980s, the Democratic Party elevated a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV), to third-in-line for the presidency.

Speaking more Truth to Power, the Republican Party has been a resolute enemy of the Ku Klux Klan, terrorist wing of the Democratic Party.

To quote from Back to Basics for the Republican Party, “The more we Republicans know about the history of our party, the more the Democrats will worry about the future of theirs.” See www.grandoldpartisan.com for more information.

17. Julho 2010, 02:19:41
Papa Zoom 
Assunto: Why talk of race?
Because it's IN the news. Just one example: The NAACP attacking the Tea Party and calling it a racist organization.

AND

Since Obama was elected, on more than one occasion (frequently) if a white voter was against Obama, they were labeled racist.

Race is about to become very important in the upcoming elections. You watch.

16. Julho 2010, 20:23:45
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Because we are complex, unique and have free will.
Tuesday: I have to defer on agreeing on the unique.. All sorts of talk about probabilities because of the size of the universe and multi-verses these days.... I could be King of England in one verse!!

15. Julho 2010, 15:18:15
Mort 
Assunto: Re: do desperate things when desperate, but getting a grip (or help) and thinking about it might help.
Tuesday: Not always possible, available, or wanted.

Abortion being available is although not the perfect option (it isn't a perfect world anyway ) needs to be an option.

15. Julho 2010, 15:05:08
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: ... if Abortion is banned you will get babies turning up in trash cans. You might due to 'idology' find women killing themselves over the shame.

That split between not being able to kill the self and the body being not self is why I'm for limited but not unlimited availability to abortion. Just as I am for euthanasia.

15. Julho 2010, 10:34:48
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: The OT was written using a 4 deep meaning system, ie.. 4 layers of messages in everything. Proverbs tells us that God created wisdom (who is female in OT text) before anything else. In Genesis we see that we are created twice.. The first of spirit a male/female combination representing the different aspects of our spiritual side.. secondly physical in male and female form.

we are more than just a body.. you can kill a body, ie transform it into a non functioning biological machine that carries conciousness. Can you kill spirit/mind/conciousness?

15. Julho 2010, 09:55:18
Mort 
Tea Party activists fund sign linking Obama to Hitler

A billboard advert in the US state of Iowa that linked President Obama to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin was removed on Wednesday morning. The sign, which was funded by a group of local Tea Party activists, has been replaced with a community service announcement.

Text on the sign had read: "Radical leaders prey on the fearful & naive."
The billboard had angered many in the local community, including other Tea Party activists.

A representative of the Iowa group called the billboard's owner and requested the sign be removed on Tuesday evening. A national Tea Party representative had called the controversial poster a waste of money, time and resources.

"It's not going to help our cause. It's going to make people think that the Tea Party is full of a bunch of right-wing fringe people, and that's not true," Shelby Blakely, of the national Tea Party Patriots group, told the Associated Press agency.
"When you compare Obama to Hitler, that to me does a disservice to the Jews who both survived and died in the Holocaust and to the Germans who lived under Nazi regime rule," Mr Blakely said.

15. Julho 2010, 02:31:35
Ferris Bueller 
Assunto: Re: pwith her position against abortion even in cases of rape and incest

I hope none of us who want to see women's rights to have an abortion abridged in these cases never have to experience rape or incest themselves.


Lets start by taking care of the babies that are already born.  I've seen the results of children who are wards of the state at age 16-17 because they were never adopted or had a caregiver apart from the state.  It isn't a pretty sight.


15. Julho 2010, 02:24:14
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: It's like the flood... There was one big one same as there was a volcanic eruption that gave way to the Reed sea having a Tsunami but telling also.. Noah got drunk after all his work, his kids got ashamed of him. Stories within stories.

15. Julho 2010, 02:18:22
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: Cain was a story about jealousy.

15. Julho 2010, 02:12:46
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: Genesis says God breathed life into a body God made.. two seperate things .. a body and a lifeforce we generally call spirit or soul or both. By putting life into a body it implies that the body is just a vessel for life.

15. Julho 2010, 01:56:26
Mort 
Assunto: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: Not right v wrong.. it's about what is life.. a bolb of complicated carbon based life only or a organic robot carrying a life.

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