Artful Dodger: Who said, "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

Artful Dodger: That's over the top offensive

Tuesday: What kinda party can it be without someone holding a sign of Obama with a Hitler moustache?

Artful Dodger: No I don't know you are right. Is it right that before 1994 the Republican policy on education was different and then the GOP fell in love with BIG government and federal interference in education?

I am looking on the web as we speak, and I am seeing nothing really to back you up, so I am looking for you to provide the data.

Otherwise I'll just consider this just another right wing conservative bash (same with all extremist groups.. left, right or central) on liberals.

We see it in PM's question time. It's just rhubarb!!

.. sorry to all those rhubarb lovers... I know it's a great fruit!!

Artful Dodger: Where is the raw data, no spin.. data.

I am a bit like a certain Mother Superior from the Dune books who asked for an info file but got no guts and notes. It's meaningless in such a form. As it is laced with political hogwash rather then pure info.

Artful Dodger: As I thought no proof, just conservative spin. And no, I have produced evidence, much more than yourself.

Yet I choose to think you know on somethings I am reporting accurately.. just you are stubborn so bite me

Artful Dodger: And so it seems that conservatives like to play the racist card as well.. in many forms.. or so here anyway.

Meaningful debate, without cutting corners.

Artful Dodger: Where is your proof, policy, legislation, etc..

As Pedro said, you ask us to provide. Where is your actual proof?


And you did say.. "True. And NCLB is one of the worst pieces of legislation to come out of Washington in a long time. Perhaps it means well but it handicaps most schools."

Bush made this policy, not liberals... it's kinda shooting yourself in the foot!!

Artful Dodger: And your actual proof of this is???

The point of your post was to make out that liberals are worse than conservatives.

... yet in your post, you are admitting that any mess in the education system is not purely down to the liberals. It's a case of you (liberals and conservatives) not forgetting party politics and uncalled unneeded personality bashing and joining together. Quite frankly the USA being a young united country I can understand why. We here went through the same hogwash after our civil war.

And if the NEA is like the UK unions for teachers (and I would like honesty here, not anti-union old score hogwash) then .. well, let us just say they will disagree with some policies. Some government policies are a waste of time and just create more work. The input and protection the teachers unions over here is vital.

Artful Dodger: corruption is a problem going from all sides. And the No Child Left Behind system isn't exactly helping..

I find it interesting that while Jeb Bush said the schools under his jurisdiction were all 'A' rated, 78% failed under NCLB rules.

I find also that the NEA is trying to stop and end contracts that prevent the best teachers working in poor schools and those who serve minorities.

..... spin has it's place, but like most spin it only tells part of the story. Eg the Conservative party blame Labour for policy 'X', yet back in the days of Maggie policy 'X' was made and introduced by the Conservative government. Like with many policy 'X' type screw ups.. it's too expensive to change, or.. other matters have a higher priority.

once again BBC

one wonders if any staff member have a brain that they actually use
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257487/BBC-lavishes-thousands-pounds-teaching-staff-use-Facebook.html

Tuesday: Maybe Bobby Kennedy.. the others thought it was their destiny, or birthright

The master of the truth??

Tuesday: Have no ever seen the Mosco State Circus? No animals involved except for in a magicians act. Doves ect. The performers are absolutely brilliant! Most circus,s I have seen very rarely involve animals now.

Tuesday: I understand the Kennedy mystique, but JFK jr, and RFK jr might have been the last of the qualuty vintage, and RFK jr isn't an option

Tuesday: It's about power for the Kennedy's,even though they tried, they can't spend all of Joe's prohibition money

Tuesday: Payday
they sure come together when their pay or benefits are in question.It's the same pretty much anywhere, right down to city hall

lobbiest

Tuesday: You know what unifies parties in all govts?

baddessi: But they're both tall.

Hi Tuesday...cool to see similarities. One major difference tho:

Lincoln- Republican.
Obama- Democrat.

Just for what it's worth....