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11. Março 2010, 20:02:15
The Col 
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Tuesday: Well, for starters, the emancipation wasn't driven by a personal desire for equality and freedom for blacks.it was politically motivated.

11. Março 2010, 19:13:33
The Col 
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GTCharlie: The JFK/Lincoln parallels are legendary

11. Março 2010, 19:05:19
tyyy 
by the way.. some did the same with JFK and Lincoln

11. Março 2010, 19:02:53
tyyy 
Assunto: Re:
Tuesday: I stopped at "times of crisis" come on really?the civil war vs today?

11. Março 2010, 18:46:24
The Col 
Assunto: Re:
Modificado por The Col (11. Março 2010, 18:46:58)
Tuesday: I'm a Lincoln nut,I devour whatever I can find on him.I must say history has been kind to him though, he wasn't the saint he is depicted to be,

11. Março 2010, 18:27:41
The Col 
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Tuesday: You're right, without Abe wearing his hat you can hardly tell them apart

11. Março 2010, 17:29:35
Mort 
Abraham Lincoln:

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew."

10. Março 2010, 09:57:38
Mort 
The actual thing of being liberal and then changing I think in the UK we have it more accurately phrased...

.. It's called getting on the stage to being a grumpy old man.

10. Março 2010, 02:38:44
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Please don't rape my language. Thank you.

10. Março 2010, 02:03:06
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger:

Please don't try that ever again.

10. Março 2010, 01:43:29
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: I don't know, you tell me. We don't eat crows here.

10. Março 2010, 00:34:53
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Yes, I did hear of the telephone game, but wasn't it you who insisted on people backing their posts with sources and facts? I just wanted you to do the same thing you require from others, which you often do not. How typical. There is a proverb about it in Czech, but I guess you wouldn't understand it even if I translated it for you to one of those languages you speak. How many are they? I must have forgotten…

9. Março 2010, 23:23:09
Ferris Bueller 
Assunto: Re: The real bigots are on the left.

Tuesday:   That kind of economics & morality go hand in hand.  Sure slavery was about economics, but it was economy based on racism.


My post was in response to Dan's assumption that all racism resulted from progressivism & the Dems.


9. Março 2010, 22:57:27
Bernice 
Assunto: Re: Hey Jules....
Snoopy: isnt it tho, especially when they told her she was only 3 months hahaha

9. Março 2010, 22:51:10
Snoopy 
Assunto: Re: Hey Jules....
Bernice: wow thats crazy ..lol

9. Março 2010, 22:45:28
Bernice 
Assunto: Hey Jules....
I wouldnt like to be sick in this hospital....hahahahahha

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2885315/Docs-thought-baby-was-gout.html

9. Março 2010, 21:59:15
Bernice 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Pedro Martínez: if you put the geocities addy into the "waybackmachine" you might get a result.....it is unreal how you can get back on a lot of things with this website....no guarantees ut might be worth a try

9. Março 2010, 21:43:00
Ferris Bueller 
Assunto: Re: The real bigots are on the left.

Artful Dodger:   You state as the conclusion to this post that, "it's the liberal policies in America that are at fault for ALL the racial problems."


I will certainly grant that neither party can wash its hands of a racist past, & that Dirksen was a hero to the civil rights movement. But, here in the South, we had only 1 political party to speak of until after the Civil Rights Act passed.  Democrats were the only party in this region from Reconstruction to that time.  Senator Thurmond switched parties in '64 because of the Civil Rights Act.  Many of the Dems you mentioned would not be considered "liberals" cuz there was only 1 game in town.


LBJ, whose hands were not clean either, knew he would loose the Dem Party in the South by promoting & signing the Civil Rights Act.  Sure enough, Nixon was able to use a "Southern Strategy" & '68 & '72 to win elections & set up a strong Republican base there.  Many of the Conservative Southern Dems switched parties to the GOP aftewards.  The few that stayed, like Hollins, changed some their positions.  Others like George Wallace & Lester Maddox remained Dems but became loose cannons.  Today, now that all the Party switching has taking place, the Dem. Party, in particular the Progressive wing, is very weak in the Southern states.


But, I agree with you that both parties have a checkered past when it comes to race relations, but there are some compexities, particularly in the South.


9. Março 2010, 21:37:31
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: By the way, thanks for that “research” at Geocities. Your links are awesome. First you post a quote and refer to a Wikipedia site of Guizot which does not even remotely say anything about the quote you post, and then you refer to a non-existing research. But am I surprised?

9. Março 2010, 21:33:33
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re: I love it when you're wrong. Which is most often.
Artful Dodger: Find five differences:

A) If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.

B) Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.

9. Março 2010, 20:17:39
Bwild 
Assunto: Re:
Pedro Martínez: Churchill

9. Março 2010, 19:12:55
Pedro Martínez 
Assunto: Re:
Modificado por Pedro Martínez (9. Março 2010, 19:14:46)
Artful Dodger: Guizot didn't say that. It's impossible. Being a liberal and a conservative is and was virtually the same thing in France.

9. Março 2010, 10:52:33
Mort 
Assunto: Re: the Japanese Internment Camps during World War II.
Artful Dodger: Blimey.. whichever site you got this lot from likes to distort history. Does it also come with a cleaning solution for the right wingers and neo-nazi groups of conservative background in the USA.

.. You know, when men were real men, women were real women.. n' small furry creatures from the Alpha Centuri system were real small furry creatures from the Alpha Centuri system!!

9. Março 2010, 06:31:39
Bernice 
Assunto: Re: wow
Artful Dodger: what about seman-tics...are they dangerous ROFL

9. Março 2010, 05:12:08
BadBoy7 
Assunto: wow
Poli Tics can be as dangerious as Deer Ticks

8. Março 2010, 20:02:15
Mort 
Assunto: Re:
Tuesday & GTCharlie: We already do pay to see some animals as they are so rare. In some cases due to hunting, etc some species need to be bred for introduction back into the wild.

I prefer the open park zoo's and animal sanctuary's. Good to see lion's roam somewhat.

8. Março 2010, 19:51:55
Mort 
Assunto: Re: And IF real, either it is anthropogenic or it is not.
Artful Dodger: No it can be many factors including man made pollution. It's not just the sun, the seasons, a fart by a gigantic space monster and some of mankind's problem with remembering to look after our home for the sake of a buck.

The orangutan is facing the loss of it's habitat so we can have cheap food and cheap chocolate. Arrangements made to protect the orangutan's habitat and that of the Indonesian rainforest are being broken by men who just love money for those who don't care.

8. Março 2010, 19:34:45
tyyy 
Assunto: Re:
Tuesday:I agree. the days of zoos and circus should be over.. leave the animals alone.. like that orca incident recently.. they're called "KILLER WHALES''... let them swim in the ocean.. leave them be

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