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<< < 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 > >> 21. Fevereiro 2009, 02:49:47 Assunto: Iraq Sanctions under Clinton --Madeline Albright has acknowledged the fact that 500,000 children have died as a direct result of U.S. bombings and sanctions. She stated, during a television interview with Barbara Walters, in reference to the half a million dead Iraqi children that, "It's a tough price to pay, but we think it's worth it". That's really nice to hear. We think it's worth it. We think it is worth it to kill 500,000 children who have nothing to do with the crimes of Saddam Hussein. Deliberately inflicting on a group, conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction is the legal definition of genocide. Madeline Albright has publicly stated that this is what the United States is doing.-- This is also why I am not a Democrat. Bush's foreign policy is a more direct approach to genocide, but little more effective for all that. What Dems fail to recognize is that the politicians in America act out a Good-Guy/Bad-Guy farce for the people while in reality they have the same murderous agenda & work for the same murderers. Now Obama is picking up right where Bush left off. 21. Fevereiro 2009, 02:40:31 Assunto: While delivering "freedom" at gunpoint abroad... The U.S. Government strips our liberties at home. The Patriot Act: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/26/patriot.act/index.html The Military Commissions Act of 2006: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060926_huq.html Btw, the hunt for "terrorists" today is like the hunt for "witches" in the Middle Ages. And the hunters today are the modern Inquisitors. Like those of old, they always ensure that the real criminals go free. :o) 21. Fevereiro 2009, 02:12:43 Assunto: Sweden sounds like the place to be.... They have enough socialism to care for the less fortunate and enough capitalism to provide opportunity for others. That's a great mix. Besides, their babes are out of this world.... 21. Fevereiro 2009, 02:12:02 Assunto: Had a crack addectid kid,after you give birth,your sterilized..guys that don't pay support,they are sterilized too.  anastasia:I like these best. The guys would be  21. Fevereiro 2009, 02:10:47 Assunto: Putin Warns US About Socialism 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:55:18 Assunto: Re: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. Artful Dodger: No more fast food restaurants. Close down McDonalds, BKing and all the others. They have to sell only health foods. hey now...don't be takin my french fries away from me! I hike 2 hours a day with my dogs..I EARNED those fry-fries!! lol I agree with alot of that tho,really..why treat peope if they are just going to keep destoying themselves with cigarttes and booze and stuff...here's another idea...people on welfare...piss test before you are handed that check...and your tested EVERY MONTH you are on the assistance too. Had a crack addectid kid,after you give birth,your sterilized..guys that don't pay support,they are sterilized too. I could go on..... ;) 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:55:10 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: That's very original advice, by the way. I've only heard it coming from the mouths of every rightwing talk show pundit in recent memory. You are some free thinker... 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:52:45 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: For moving expenses, I mean, so I can leave this country that disappoints me so much, per your sage advice. 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:50:37 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: Believe me, if I could afford it, I'd move. You want to donate something to me out of the goodness of your charitable heart? lol 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:45:58 Assunto: Re: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. Czuch Exactly! And they can cut the excuse making. I'm not buying any of that nonsense. The problem with liberal philosophy is that they refuse to place the blame where it belongs. I have an idea for a national health care program. If it were to go through, you have to qualify. No fat people. If you're overweight, lose the weight or your on your own. If you smoke, quit or your on your own. If your kids are fat, get them to a gym or they are not covered. If you drink too much, and have any drinking related problems, you're on your own. I'd make a list like this and people would have to qualify for coverage. Not only that, but I'd force everyone to join a gym and they'd have to check in each week via a scanner. I'd 1984 the people to the max. And anyone wanting a kid has to ask permission of their congressman and get a certificate. If anyone has a kid without permission, that child is not covered for health care. Let's go all the way with government intrusion. No more fast food restaurants. Close down McDonalds, BKing and all the others. They have to sell only health foods. Or, people get scanned when going to a fast food restaurant. And if you go to those places to eat, you can't be covered on government health care. But no. This is too intrusive for the left. They want to live irresponsibly and have others pick up the tab. And the government wants to reward bad behavior. I follow the rule but will end up paying out of my pocket for the bozos that broke the rules and are now crying "help." 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:29:58 Assunto: Re: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. Artful Dodger: I agree... the bottom line is that a child is the responsibility of the parents.... and sure, there are rare exceptions, just like everything, but the facts remain, children are the responsibility of their parents, and if you arent ready to accept that full responsibility, then DONT HAVE ANY CHILDREN!!!! 21. Fevereiro 2009, 01:23:09 Assunto: Re: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. (V):excuses, excuses, excuses 21. Fevereiro 2009, 00:29:12 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: hey, no ad homenum attacks.... what the heck is ad homenem anyway??? 21. Fevereiro 2009, 00:27:40 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: Czuch, you are a fence sitting middle of the road no idea no convictions cop out of a person.... 21. Fevereiro 2009, 00:25:56 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): Better for you. No more cheating health companies. I am not saying that there are potential upsides to some of what we get with socialism.... my opinion is that there are many down sides as well, and I am willing to put up with the loss of the upsides to not have to deal with the down sides. In other words, I also know that capitalism is not perfect, but neither is socialism, and i think that the advantages of capitalism out weigh the disadvantages, and that the downside from socialism out weigh the advantages, although I am not against some limited forms of government regulations and even some socialized policies. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:35:11 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: Better for you. No more cheating health companies. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:27:46 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): First, the president is on duty 24/7 second, I am referring more to Denmark, or swedes or one of those that are more socialized than yourself, like I said, you guys are more similar to us, we have many social programs already, and now even more, soon the banks and the health care maybe the autos, where does it end? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:22:59 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: 6 Weeks?? Usually it's 4... management can get more, like when Bush took so much holiday off before 9/11  We don't get duvet days either officially....... And what is with this 70%, explain it more, is it some figure some guy has made up based on one case to demonise our system? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:19:02 Assunto: Re: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. Artful Dodger: A logical consequence? Many who've read the books still can turn out not to have the skills to be a parent. "your fault..." No, not in all cases. Making such a general statement is neither accurate or wise. If the education is not available or made available, then it is not their fault. If the soul has been so damaged or through genetic disorders.. is it their fault? ... So many factors. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:15:09 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): Capitalism doesn't work either if no-one is productive. Yes, but capitalism rewards productivity, and socialism does not!!!!! How productive are you really going to be if 70% goes to someone who is being unproductive? I hear you guys brag about have 6 weeks off a year or whatever it is(probably more) and laugh how hard Americans work compared to you... well that says it all, capitalists are more productive than socialists..... 20. Fevereiro 2009, 23:04:23 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: Dude.... To think doesn't take money. Capitalism doesn't work either if no-one is productive. Actually, they had (so the legend goes) worked out a way of making Socialism work in the USSR... some people were asked to think it through... But the problem was to many did not want to give up the power and goodies that came with the solution. Bit like your med companies costing so much to be insured for so little return. And be reasonable, even the Bible which could ethically be said to be a socialist view but with a spiritual twist recognises no-one is equal in who they are and what they can do. ... Everyone has different Chi. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 22:59:22 Assunto: But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. (V): They are not being punished. It's a logical consequence. If you put your hand on a hot stove, you will get your hand burnt. No use in saying that it's not your fault as you didn't know better (bad upbringing). If you don't have the skills to properly parent, then don't have kids. If you want kids, learn how it's done. Take classes. Get informed. But don't offer me excuses. You do something bad, it's YOUR fault. Not your mom. Not your dad. Own up. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 22:52:10 As bad as the U.S. maybe in a lot of issues, there is no other country that should look down their noses at the U.S.,especially in Europe, I know its a popular trend to blame America and be ever so ashamed to be an American ...(ahh that was sarcasm,) but too damn bad, look over the country's history, you will see a lot of ugliness, but then again, too damn bad.. yes we had slavery, yes we put Japanese in internment camps, yes even worse than those things have been done by Americans, yes the country has done bad things as a whole, but we are just being human, no less than any other country If we keeping scorecards, measure the US in the last 200 years against any other fair sized nation and tell me who has the right to cast the first stone? certainly not Europe, with Bosnia still fresh in memories. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 22:42:29 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): Plus.. you know a certain number of Americans goto Cuba. ... There was one case where 9/11 emergency workers had been denied full treatment due to insurance matters... The Cuban doc's just said "send them over here, they are hero's, there should be no denying them care".... Talk about someone listening to the propaganda channel  20. Fevereiro 2009, 22:42:18 Assunto: Re: Parents who neglect their children are at fault for their poor health condiditons. (V):I think maybe the UK has a certain issue with sex education, seen the recent headlines in the tabloids?? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 22:36:21 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): things like curing a disease, or finding out the nature of the universe have no merit Dude! All that stuff takes money... it all takes money, everything takes money, someone somewhere has to make money, socialism doesnt work at all if there isnt anyone around actually doing something productive. Capitalism promotes productivity, socialism sucks it dry (reminds me of an old girlfriend, but I digress) I just dont get it... you suck 70% from the productive people to give it to the unproductive people so that the unproductive people can have the same life as the productive people until the productive people have been reduced to the middle class and have given enough to the unproductive people to make them middle class, and now you have a whole nation of middle class, everyones dream has come true, no poor no rich just one big happy middle class... now what??? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 21:28:13 Assunto: Re: Parents who neglect their children are at fault for their poor health condiditons. Artful Dodger: Aye... But should those who maybe bad parents be punished for the fact that they had bad parents, and bad parents before that and before that. It's like the abuse thing, an abuser is someone who's been abused in some way that happens to be the one in eight. And so on.... I believe you have a problem in America in some areas of proper sex education. Are you saying the victims of such a void should be punished? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:52:53 Assunto: Re: Parents who neglect their children are at fault for their poor health condiditons. (V): Parents are responsible for the health and safety of their children. Simple things like eating right, healthy living, brushing teeth, taking vitimans, and staying informed. Most "poor" households have more than one TV. They likely have cable too. They have "stuff." People can be lazy and neglect health concerns until something is wrong. Then they complain that the government isn't doing enough for them. Well, they ought to have been doing things for themselves all along. I see kids with rotting teeth and can't help but wonder how young children can get that way. It's proper diet and proper care. Prevention. Don't have kids if you don't know how to care for them. People need to be expected to be responsible. If the government offers universal health care, then I vote for full government intrusion and let's have the government also hold folks accountable for healthy living. Are you over weight? The government ought to be able to force you into losing weight. Do you smoke? If so, you either quit or lose any coverage. People should have to submit their meal plans so the State knows that they are doing their best to keep the kids healthy. I wonder how long that would go over? No. People want to be irresponsible and then they want the government to step in and fix things for them. Let's have 14 kids with no job, no husband, and no life, and then expect the government to fork over the millions it will cost to care for those kids. Yeah, that's a good idea. No personal responsibility. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:50:42 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Artful Dodger: Not what I hear, I hear that Americans can save 30-60% on health costs in Canada. Plus.. you know a certain number of Americans goto Cuba. ... There was one case where 9/11 emergency workers had been denied full treatment due to insurance matters... The Cuban doc's just said "send them over here, they are hero's, there should be no denying them care".... 20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:43:56 Assunto: Re: Parents who neglect their children are at fault for their poor health condiditons. Artful Dodger: In every case? It's the parents fault??? And btw... We can get to be seen straight away. GP's are same day service or bookable in certain cases, 24/7 GP service, A&E work fine. And each case is treated individually as per the patients need. I phoned the doc once, described what the problem was and got an ambulance in less then 5 minutes. Tests were done within the hour and the results processed and returned within another hour. Please.... Don't believe all you here on the net about the NHS, it's not all true.  20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:37:15 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): Americans are tying to get the Canadian costs for drugs, not medical care. And Canadian are coming to the US in droves for our superior health care syste. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:36:43 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: Does it? So only money is a well worth target and goal and things like curing a disease, or finding out the nature of the universe have no merit and can only be worked out in capitalist countries? One says that greatness comes from being who you are, I thought that came from just a basic right to be able to think freely. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 20:35:48 Assunto: but free isnt really free, someone pays for it, the federal government gets its money from the people it works for, if everyone gets it for free and nobody pays into it, then where are you left? Czuch: Exactly. I don't see a reasonable answer to this point. I also don't get why we should lump everyone into the same category and provide health care services to everyone via a national health program. The waiting lines will be horrible. People will not get what's best for them. It will be assembly line care. Good when you get your turn but while you are waiting.......not so much. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 18:04:45 Assunto: There is not one person in the US denied health care, this even applies to those in this country who arent even citizens! Czuch: This is the crux of it. All the web sites in the world don't change the fact that health care in the US is accessible to everyone. Parents who neglect their children are at fault for their poor health condiditons. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 16:56:24 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" The Usurper: Power is just one aspect... we rank quite high in many other aspects as well... but if I were so ashamed of my country as you are, and if i thought the government was such a conspirator against the good of the people, as you do, and I knew of other countries that had a better government and a better life, then I would simply go there, why not? Why do so many want to come here to the US, if we are so bad???? Why not just go to Denmark, or the UK? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 16:51:32 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: I take no particular pride in the U.S.A. being the most powerful country in the world. Considering how we use our power, I'm frankly ashamed of it. I WOULD take pride if we the Best country...which we are not. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 16:49:33 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): we also have a mix of social and private, and really my beef is not with your country, really. You are more similar to the US model than the denmarks or sweedens.... I just dont think we need to be moving more towards socialism than we already are, and i dont believe if every country were socialist that the world would be better off either. Socialism doesnt promote greatness, it promotes mediocrity... I prefer a chance at greatness coupled with a risk for the other end of the scale, as opposed to only a chance at mediocrity, with little hope for greatness. Its a risk reward type of thing.... for any greatness comes with it a risk, so you and others dont think it is worth it, I happen to think it is, simple as that. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 16:34:21 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: "most of you who claim to get free health care actually pay up to 70% of your income in taxes to pay for that so called free care!" No, we pay taxes that cover the needs of the country. Including, defence, education (which includes free college), running jails, paying MP's, regulatory bodies to protect the public from unscrupulous companies ripping the public off, etc, etc, etc.... and yes.. the NHS. We are not a socialised country, we are a mixed state running both private and public systems side by side. Trains are privately owned, yet the maintenance of the lines is a public corp. Public buildings are built via companies who tender for the contract, certain NHS needs (eg operation kits) are provided by private companies operating to a contract.. but even they have screwed up and some wish the service to go back to being done by the NHS itself due to the fact that the staff did a better job even though it cost more, operation kits were sorted with pride and attention, rather then to a profit. And do you know the name Alfred Nobel... as well as the Prize named after him, he developed dynamite and before Nitroglycerin. Both your country relied on to build your infrastructure.  20. Fevereiro 2009, 15:32:53 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): My point is that it easy to be the best country in the world when you take care of yourself and dont provide anything for the rest of the world.... But what if we were all like that? Its like my questions in free health care... if everyone stopped working and started abusing the system, there would be no system left to abuse. Its only really free to the people who arent contributing to it. But most of you who claim to get free health care actually pay up to 70% of your income in taxes to pay for that so called free care! My point is, it is largely due to our capitalist system that we are able to be so innovative.... what innovations for the world have Sweden or Finland or denmark ever done for us lately? Where would the world be if the US and other capitalists countries didnt innovate and provide other such world needs? The point is that the US provides many valuable things to this world that can only be gleened from our capitalism, and things that are not gleened from your precious nice neat clean and free socialized countries. If the whole world were finlands, we would be one sorry world in deed, on sorry stagnant dying blah blah blah 20. Fevereiro 2009, 15:05:52 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: As for being a super power, the USA has no way come close to the British Empires greatness. Where we are now.. here's some stats!! eheheheheheh http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/best.html We've been and covered free NHS, if no-one worked the the whole economy must of collapsed from a major crises. But the same could be said about the USA.. what if your economy collapsed completely (maybe someone calls in your national debt) .... What then? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:42:01 Assunto: USA Utopia? Modificado por Czuch (20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:42:33) I want to hear what it is, or at least what would be the ideal for you? Does it already exists? Is there a country that you want the US to emulate, one that already does everything you want the US to be? Or is your utopia for the US something completely new, something no other country has ever been before? I hear you all say great things.... too many poor people, to many rich people, shrinking of the middle class etc.... what is the ultimate goal for you then??? Are we all meant to be middle class? Or maybe even that we all should be poor, giving all our wealth to the government to take care of our wants and needs? You can go on and on about this idea or that plan, but I need to know what is the end game for you????? What is the ultimate goal anyway? What would make you ahppy, when would you finally say that you are happy with the way things are? ...and not just that I want world peace and free health care.... but more how we achieve these things, give me some solid methods to acheive your Utopian USA? I mean, if you are lost in a car, you dont just start taking random roads and hope you pick the right one, you use a road map that will get you efficiently from where you are to where you want to be...... I want to know the road map you have in mind for the US????? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:26:45 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): yeah, says who???? You are the one who started with the statistics about your health care ranking vs the US.... Whats the matter then with a few more statistics comparing our two great countries then??? Fact is, that despite your great 18 ranking in the world of health care, the US is still the number one super power of the world, and where does the UK rank in that category???? I dont give a crap about your socialized health system... it still has its faults, and 18th is nothing to brag about for sure..... both our systems have faults..... you still havent answered my question about what happens if nobody works, who then pays for your free stuff??? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:26:31 Assunto: Re:but they could be talking about someone with some advanced stage of a disease that would cost millions to treat, and maybe they cant pay that, so they end up dying sooner than the person who can pay those costly treatments.. Czuch: Data would be hard on health care stats... Many won't tell even the quality assurance people. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:21:24 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Pedro Martínez: No problem  20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:20:32 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Czuch: More respected the the USA, that's where we are. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:11:17 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" Modificado por Pedro Martínez (20. Fevereiro 2009, 14:11:37)  Czuch: I've just had a good laugh over this post of yours, Chuck. Thanks for prolonging my life by a few minutes. 20. Fevereiro 2009, 13:53:49 Assunto: Re: ur lack of a national health care is not a causation for the death of anyone! ... some facts please? Czuch: Sounds to me like you prefer to keep people impoverished and give them free stuff, than to figure out a better way to get people out of poverty???? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 13:51:18 Assunto: Re:but they could be talking about someone with some advanced stage of a disease that would cost millions to treat, and maybe they cant pay that, so they end up dying sooner than the person who can pay those costly treatments.. (V): That's not good is it!! I might not use the word good, but it sure isnt bad.... like I said, we all die anyway, so in reality we arent talking about saving lives, we are talking about prolonging lives! So, you dont have health care and cant afford the 5 million dollar treatment that will extend your life by a few months, and I am a millionair who can afford that... so what??? Since you guys are on with your phantom stats... tell me, how many people with health care die each year? or better.... two people, both with health care coverage, both with the same disease..... are they both supposed to die at the same exact time???? One may outlive the other by many years, with the exact same coverage and the exact same disease.... your stats dont take things like that into account do they???? 20. Fevereiro 2009, 13:44:33 Assunto: Re: ur lack of a national health care is not a causation for the death of anyone! ... some facts please? The Usurper: So its really poverty, not a non socialized health system that kills these people... 20. Fevereiro 2009, 13:42:34 Assunto: Re: "free health care is a meaningless point" (V): our EMPIRE was the biggest ever. and look where it is now????? Not the biggest ever! hahahaha, so you supposedly out rank us 18 to 35th in free health care, but the only one that really matters is over all rankings, and the US is number one baby, dont try to deny it!!!! What percentage of the UK is leaving every year??? What percentage of the UK is being populated by new immigrants every year???? Number 18 in free health care???? Whats there to be so proud of in that stat anyway? << < 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 > >> |
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