Well, I came here because most of you league guys switched to bk due to the deactivation of the discussion boards on IYT. Since then it has become very "unchallenging" on IYT. It took me some time to ease into the purely technical interface here, as well.
Meanwhile, I see no reason to switch back anymore neither to play on both sites.

That said, let's see IYT as kind of a bootcamp!
And if a new talent is ready to challenge the 20 world champs, BK is the place to be. ;-)

I've been back on IYT for almost a year and there are some decent players there, not as good as we have here though.

cookie monster:
Yes, following games on two sites is beyond my current capacity and motivation.

That said, even distinguishing between the amateur and professional world championship events on this site can easily be mistaken by some! At least that ambiguity did not arise at IYT.
:-E)

SL-Mark:
What are you taking about? The real world championship in espionage is over.
And the world champ has already been determined:

BrainKing World All Games Champion Ship Tournament

:-E)

SL-Mark:

I don't think setting up custom tournaments here is a big advantage in sabotage/espionage simply because of the length of the games and the fact that BK tournaments are limited by the longest game in each round. I.e., we would still benefit from running tournaments as we did at IYT.

That said, the custom time controls offered here, plus the forums make this a preferable location.

Personally, I've been timing out of a number of games here lately due to inattention and won't be adding any IYT events anytime soon.

Chaos: Agree that the league doesn't really exist here, well not in the same form. At IYT, there was a need for some, and in many cases, considerable coordination to promote and run tournaments. That work has been made redundant through the flexibility of BK in being able to create ones own tournaments, e.g. Nothingness and Sandoz recently had some popular tournaments, and you had a beginners one a while ago. Who won?

Yes, I can remember when I first joined BK, that the interface was rather unwieldy, and that was without poking at all the settings behind the scenes! However, like anything new, it just took a little while to get used to.

The 2012 World championship has already started, and indeed, I still have games running in the 2011 championship. So we won't know who the 2011 champ is until 2013

The link to the 2012 Open Fast is Championship world BK 2012
As you can see, the competition is strong, though progression to final has been made easier through your absence.
There are championship tournaments for all the espionage variants, as well as all the other games on site.

SL-Mark: Your answer is almost the same as my answer to him, but I didn't want to speak for others, that's why I put the question out here. The League doesn't really exist here either, unfortunately. Could you give me the link to the 2012 Championship? I must say I had already forgotten about it, ahem... Quad doesn't like the interface here at BK. I don't like it either I must confess. And I don't like the overload of tournaments.

Chaos: The move from IYT to BK came about because we lost our forum and hence our ability to speak, jest and provoke each other.

I see little point returning. Even if there was serious competition at IYT, how would the SL organise events?

Why does quad not want to come here? S/he could have entered any of the 2012 World Championship espionage tournaments.

Hi all, at IYT someone approached me to ask me about the League. He wants to set up a competition at IYT and wanted to know about the League, what worked and what not. I tried to answer as good as I could, adding I thought it would be hard with so many quitting/leaving to BK. 

bumble: yes

SL-Mark:
Well, that corresponds to the speed of some espionage games. :-))

Celticjim: Bored Jim? That was a timely reply to a post made on the 16th Nov 2004!

Justaminute: wonder is that the 'bug' he's on about?

oh the fun we're having ,all 41 of us reminiscing about old times and sharing that old sabotage picture album from back in the old days , Hildebrand in his clown getup--what a lark -the wine and beer is flowing-miss you all--Go Ireland!!

rod03801:
Great. Thank you Rod!

Sandoz: They finish like normal. You just can't join a new tournament until you meet the requirements.

Currently I play 12 games in about 5 to 6 different tournaments. What happens if my memberships runs out in a couple of days? Will most of the tournament games be considered as a loss? Due to the fact that as a non-paying menber I'm not allowed to play more than one tournament at a time. Or will I be able to finish those tournament games as a non-paying member? Does anyone know? Thanks for your replies.

Sandoz: Moonhippie doesn't play here. At least in the past he couldn't make an account here because of the way he has access to the internet.

might have

Sandoz: I've offered you the exchange again! And don't think that I will let you test the bluff with your sab in the next move, it comes at a higher price than that. More so if I'm going to be red listed by you, if indeed it turns out to be just that

I don't believe moonhippie plays here, though I believe he might of had an account here at one time.

SL-Mark:
soon you will know.

What about moonhippie? Is he playing here as well?

Sandoz: Bluff? Moi? Never
Red list? Is that the list that's red with your own blood?

SL-Mark: hahaha. If you've bluffed me with your last move in our current game I'll put you on my red list, man!

Chaos: Oh yes, that's right. Nice that you remember my stone old nick. We had quite a good time over there. :-) But, after my sabotage break I used to play as Sandoz a couple of years on iyt as well.
I don't think that I will go back to iyt for moonhippie's tourney, though.

Chaos: My first Sabotage opponent at IYT was Chaos . . . so I'm the real rookie here. :)

Celticjim: Sandoz isn't really new, haha. He used to play under the name 'Hageroff' (do I spell that right, Sandoz?) and was my first sabotage opponent at IYT, so if he's new, I'm a real newbee ;) I didn't get a message from Moonhippie either.

SL-Mark: Mark you were kinda new too cheeky ;-) moonhip is probably harking back to the old old names -if he's leaving the new breed out I can't see it being much of a show but we'll see---OPEN tourny after all

Celticjim: I didn't hear about it either.... perhaps the message just went to the players that moonhippie can beat?

Sandoz, despite being shiny and new, is number 2 in BK, soon to be put in his place by the current number 4

he mentions getting all the old players together for one last hurrah-Sandoz you were kinda newish so maybe he forgot but It could be interesting if we got a good 40 or 50 to join the june main open number 1

Celticjim: no

Celticjim: moonhippie even

so did everyone get the message from monnhippie about the open main one tourny on iyt?

Nothingness: had no internet for couple weeks in the house last year after a lightning strike killed my modem-not much fun having to trudge to town to use the local pub wi-fi though it did have its' benefits

Still no interenet for almost 2 weeks. Trying to get moves in whenever possible.

i have moved and now i am without internet access. im at the library now and do not knwo the next time i will be on. Sadly i have time out many games on various other sites.

Nothingness: all the best & good luck in your new home!

Nothingness: good luck

Within the next few weeks I will be in the process of moving, the long stress filled year is coming to any end. My wife and I have been looking to buy a new house and we are selling our current one. anyone who understands the current housing market can empathize with the stress it creates and the time it takes to sell a house. Hopefully after all this is done I will be back to my quick playing self... and much better too. Once i get setted i will create the new tourney.

Nothingness: Here is a snippet of the book which is in his blog. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

As i get ready to open up my prize tourney. Which should be ready in about a month or so. I will be adding a secondary prize onto the BK membership prize. It is a book a friend of mine wrote a few years ago called "playing to win" by David Sirlin. This a book written by a multiple-time national tournament champion in video games. Part of streetfighter team USA . Representing USA in an annual international game tournament held in Japan. He is a graduate of MIT's Sloan Business School. Its an excellent read.

On a 3rd note I wish we could have double elimination tournaments, like most gaming tournaments. that would be a prefered format for this tourney, I may ask Fencer if this could be a selectable format in the future.

Trying to get in as many moves as possible and pick up the pace in my games till i have to get back to work in January. So ill be moving fast for the next week.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 2 all

Chaos: trying to create one now.. wow lots of work very intricate

Nothingness: If you make a website I can put the link to it on this page.

I have always wanted to put together a strategy guide for espionage/sabotage. Perhpas getting together an independant website link of strategies would be a very touch.

Styleone: i am still in the middle of playing vs one of the players.. I messaged the one who ironically lives very clsoe to where i do.. about a 30 minute drive. So I might be able to convince him. The other has not spoken at all and im still in tehmmiddle of our 2nd game. The first of which i lost. He is a non member there.. ill try and message him again.

Nothingness, what about your recruiting expedition?
A new Sabotage League tournament can be helpfull to get some good players from IYT to come here...

I consider myself as a slow player, or, may be, slower one. Fischer's clock force me to play rather quickly and still there is possibility to make decent ammount of time for case of emergency. Because we paly from different timezones, I consider time bonus 1 day per move as minimal. Set initial time somewhere around 5-7 days and allow to accumulate more than initial time for needs like work, illness, vacations or so.

I'm on a recruiting expedition at IYT. i am playing two strong players. one is very strong. I hope to get them to come over here if their not here already.

dAGGER: i agree with your assessment on the vacation. the larger sections are difficult but can speed things up.