I have the Reader but my computer is misbehaving. Wish there was some other way to see it.

I was able to download it & it looks intact, pictures and all. I'll check it out. Thanks. :o)

Gothic how do you figure George Miller was able to defeat programs..at least at one time? His play jammed them up from a one down position. Of course that was some time ago.

Absolutely amazing..but it seems to leave little margin for error.

Yes, which is what makes George Miller a cut above (most of) the rest.

Thanks for the reminder Ed :o)

Was Banks using a program? Was Miller? Were both of them? Or neither?

I have played George, he is a very good player he wouldn't need a program. Sadly his wife died recently so is taking a back seat. :o(

What were the results of those games? I once got a King against an old world champ.

I can only go by face to face play Ed.

Program vs Program matches are interesting but over the board face to face matches determines the real champ in my opinion. Looking at some of the old Wylie games of the 19th century before anyone could even spell program I saw some marvelous defensive play. I think he would have a good chance today.

Not online he wouldn't. :o)

Not against programs but against any human he would IMHO

:o)

There is only one day to sign up for the prize tourney. We have 34 players already. If anyone else cares to play please message me. :o)

Congratulations to Nomad, who has just been announced as winner this of this tournament, with all sections completed. Congrats James!

Also congrats to Pat (gooner), who was a very close runner up. Great job Pat!

Well done, Immortals :o)

I'm a fairly new player to this wonderful site but after reading some of the posts here, I might be losing alot more games of checkers! LOL

I'm going to try and post some clickable links to checkers websites here.

That would be great! It is quite hard to play checkers in person & your the opposing player as well. Boring! LOL

I don't remember the formula for making links clickable.

If you remember Bill, let me know how to do it. :o)

Maybe somebody reading this will help. I wanted to start with Triplejump.com.

This is a good checkers discussion board.

http://checkersolutions.co.uk/scgi-bin/bbmat.cgi/index.html

I knew it Ed, You declined the invitation to go to Manchester though. Why???

Thanks for the link. :o)

What about against the new nemisis???

Thanks for the links. It has been a year since I looked at programs but Cake and Nemesis were the top of the line then. WCC had just come out with a platinum but the highest database I remember was an 8..which was awesome enough.

Then my question would be... What's the point of it?? Buying it would be worth it as a substitute for books only. Playing it would be a waste of time.
Why haven't you ever decided to play in the big events Ed??

Its not a case then of trying to master the game of checkers then?? It's money which motivates you?? I certainly don't dispute you and Gil's dedication to this program but are you not interested in showing your skills face to face, either on a competive nature or otherwise. I will be in Vegas to view some of the play in August, we could have got together for a game.
BTW..How long do you think it will be before you master the game of checkers????

Maybe I missed your point but I don't see how they are linked. The patent is for a program, I was refering to you taking part in a tourney yourself.
So how long before checkers is mastered then???

How about the 2004 American championship in Las Vegas between 2nd August and the 6th or 7th August Ed? This is what I am referring to. Mainly because I am going to visit the event to view some of the action.
Wouldn't you like to pit your WCC against the top programs in the world? It would be a proud achievement to walk away as the best and give you some free promotion for your product.

BTW......You never said how long it would take you and Gil to master the game of checkers???

So what about my other points Ed?????

I was just wondering how long it will take before a computer masters checkers? Thats all. i can't think of a better person to ask that question to.

Thanks Ed, a very fasinating insight you have given me. It shows quite clearly what most average checker players (like myself) don't realise and thats the sheer scale of this great game.
It reminds me of the Tinsley V Chinook match, when Tinsley worked out that the computer could "only" see 26 moves ahead in all variations (millions of moves). So in order to win he was looking 27 moves ahead. A genius.

Many of the top players on the gamesites use programs and the average player has zero chance against them. The chances seem to be slightly increased in Pro Checkers but it is still very very daunting. I knew a grizzled old vetran named Richard Fortman who could pretty much hold his own against programs but he had like about 50 years experience. Nice, great old guy.

I have heard of him. One of the greats. I think what Ed failed to realise is that programs are flawed, its just finding the weak spot in them.

http://www.acfcheckers.com/index.html/

I have created a new fellowship for people interested in learning this great game. If you want to join please pm me. :o)

i have never played like this before so i want a quick game to see how you play this way

You can send me an invite for an unrated game if you like.

In your opinion Ed can WCC be jammed by the one down gambit? Has any human beaten or drawn the new version?

Just one more question. What skills, if any, does the operator require? Does a superior, more experienced operator with a slightly inferior program have any advantage over a better program with a relatively unskilled operator?

I mentioned this because I have seen cases where Nemesis gives false positives. In theory if you are +40 it is a win but I have seen Nemesis give a +40 and then take it away after the opponents next move. And this was after Nemesis recommendation was followed to the letter.

I played this bright young programmer on IYT and used book..on the 9th move I still had 8 checkers left and none of them could move wothout losing the piece. Everything looked fine but I was sandbagged. He has played in Vegas so he has great natural ability. In our second game he resigned with the board even so he just wanted to try out his program. Still in his teens I think. Awesome player.

Purple World is having an in-house checker tournament. Come for the tournament and stay for the fellowship. Request an invite if interested.

Very impressive. I wish Chinook woud update it's Wall of Honor which hasn't been done since 02.

its 2 years and still no real Checkers board.:((

like Fencer has said - if you can draw graphics for pawns, kings, queens, and parachutists in the four sizes and send them to him, he will add them :-)

I tied that. I guess about a year ago or so. I either did a very poor job or Fencer never got those images.

You could ask him if he received them - and if he did, you could ask him why he didn't want to use them so maybe you (or someone else) could make better ones.

Why can't fencer use the pieces used for backgammon or five in a line???