crosseyed: sometimes ignoring you is not as easy, since you turn the facts as you want around, depends on your purpose... but even if your starting question is about something else, you manage often enough to turn it into a fight... i should have learned from the past that it is easier to convince someone that p.m. is a.m. instead of trying to go out of any kind of discussion with you.... well now that you have your answers concerning our plakoto game, i hope you stop going on and on with this discussion, bye and dream on