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srnity: Thats upsetting about the rabbits too....Cats unfortunately just have hunting in their nature...and excellent hunters they are too! Im not sure all of them are as preditorial though...my last cat just loved all other animals & used to mother them...this included my cockateil I just mentioned & a chinchilla! In all the years I had here I never once saw her even stalk another animal, let alone attack or kill it. My cat I still have now is different though, shes forever hunting & killing small furry things.
edited to just add.....anyone with a cat who doesnt want them to kill things (like me) can try making sure your cat has a collar with a bell on...its enough to warn birds atleast
Tuesday: OMG Im so sorry to hear that! You must be heart broken! What a terrible thing to of happened! You do a good turn & rescue the cats only for it to be disasterous to your bird....I really am sorry....its touched a nerve with me because I had a cockateil attacked by a cat & she later died....I was devastated
Tuesday: Poor, poor Willie Wade (may he rest in peace, messy or not) - THIS is why I'm a dog person - why DO domestic cats have to kill things anyway? I've had TWO rescued rabbits killed by neighborhood cats in my yard & they actually waited for the dog to not be there both times to attack (and they were both REALLY sweet older rabbits)
Ewe: ya it isnt ideal but I keep it really clean and also she isnt voiding much so there is no real issue. She isnt eating very much so there is next to no waste. I think the drugs were effecting her appetite too. Shes a really large cat so no issues with her losing a pound or two anyway.
wetware. Very sound advice. We had a cat who peed on our bed at one time. Talk about constant washer and dryer going. We used to put plastic on the bed but she just peed on that. I didnt think to use foil. They hate the sound and feel of that. If I ever have that issue again I will try that.. I found that keeping the box extra clean encourages frequent use. Cats do not like stinky boxes. In my house it is a part time job cleaning all 4 boxes 4 or 5 times a day but well worth it. Keeping boxes in private areas helps promote frequent use as well. I have one friend in a bachelor apartment that put up a chinese screen around her cat's box so the cat has privacy! LOL
The things we do and put up with for our fur babies.
Ewe: noo foolin,they call them "behavioral therapists" or something fancy shmancy like that,no,I was speaking of your poopy cat
wetware: Yes,did the litter thing,we now have one in both washrooms.I'm amazed to see that the "ambush in the hall" is not uncommon,Molly would do it all the time,Jenn would come out looking like she was facing the executioner nightly,though with two escape routes the issue isn't what it once was.I do find the tin foil idea interesting,but she always seems to drop her gifts in high traffic areas,we'd be stomping on it all the time.Thank God she doesn't pee,that would take this situation up a notch.
Jim Dandy: Some other factors and ideas...but no guaranteed solutions, I'm sorry to say.
I've been through this (well, not quite through yet) with one of my
Some ideas I've read (and some that I've tried):
Offering various kinds of litter. Their textures vary a great deal, and some cats sure can be fussy, can't they? Wow...box styles vary greatly, as well. One of my girls can't stand those enclosed ones. Another likes the enclosed style that's entered from the top!
Cleanliness of the litter box. One vet insists upon this. I usually only manage cleaning once per day; some insist on doing so even more frequently than that.
Number of boxes available. One vet suggests a formula: have (n+1) boxes in the house, where n=the number of cats you have.
One of my girls seems to lie in wait in the middle of a narrow hallway that needed to be passed to get to the usual litter box. Like some kind of troll one planning an ambush. I think the girl with "the problem" was sometimes just steering clear of a showdown.
Large sheets of tinfoil placed on areas where the dirty deeds have tended to happen. (I placed these across half of my bed for a couple of months. My newest was peeing there! At least she's gotten over that problem. So my bedroom's foil bedspread won't be featured in House Beautiful; no big deal.)
If you can be stealthy and patient, have some idea when it happens, and have good aim with a water pistol, catch your little darling in the act and shoot from a bit of a distance. I think the idea is to get him/her to associate the unpleasant spray with their activity--but not associate it with YOU being angry. Don't be yelling...or anything worse...when this takes place. You've already got one problem to deal with.
Tuesday: One of my cats is soo stresssed out that the doc gave us cat prozac ( in a tuna chew tab) we are anti drugs so I really didnt want to give them to her but her body is breaking down due to the stress. we gave them to her for 3 days.. and Ive stopped. I dont like how glassy eyed she looks and shes lethargic.. I have her quarantined in my bedroom with her own toys, food, water and litter. The tv is on thru the day for her.. and shes got much less stress. I realize she was stressing over the other cats in the house.. shes perfectly happy away from all the other cats.. Poor puddums. Once I get her all well and back to normal i guess I will have to find her a new home with people who have no other cats.. sigh... Shes a beauty and so good with people. I will miss her.
Jim Dandy: Yes both of mine were/are rescues too. So things in common are... *previous ill treatment *age/ pooing on carpets didnt start until after a few years *loving & normal behaviour otherwise
It really does sound more psychological
I hope your vet is more helpful about it than mine. Although mine did recommend some excellent enzyme spray which killed any smell/stain left on carpets or wood floors.
Ewe: Jennifer was originally adopted by my gf from the humane society,both our girls were.Jenn had got into a fight with a racoon and had to have some surgery,a chunk of her ear is missing,and she has some scaring around her mouth.The prior owner never bothered to pick her up(sweet guy)She had never had this issue prior to the last few years.She was pooing on our hallway carpet,so we removed it,that just led her to find another carpet.The puking is based on her habit of eating too fast(in my opinion)so maybe this is a psychological thing.She is a very loving little girl,other than this issue she has no strange quirks
Jim Dandy: I had my cat all checked out too at the vets when she was doing it, but physically she was absolutely fine! I think its got to be psychological but I havent a clue what could cause it, I even looked for info on the net & found nothing of great use. She was generally a very happy playful & extremely loving character. Can I ask what 'brang up' is as you mentioned? Does she have regular spots she uses or is it just random? My cat once even pooed in the plug hole of the bath!!! What the heck is that all about??? My cat was originally a rescue, I never knew if she had had kittens but she was very motherly to all other animals & people, I got to thinking she was pineing for kittens & got a mental problem over that which manefested itself in her behaviour...but thats just a guess.
Ewe: We've had blood tests done,everything.Today has been the worst,she pooped on the front door carpet,brang up on the bedroom carpet (probably due to nerves from me shooing her away as ase was pooping,and then just came out and brang up again.My other cat just shakes her head,she's never done it.I'm on the phone to the vet,but we've done that before too.I'm starting to think a shrink is our only hope
Jim Dandy: my other cat (who died last year) used to do the exact same thing!! I know exactly how you feel, it used to drive me up the wall. I honestly dont have any tips though because I couldnt get her to stop. I had her for about 14 years, she was about 16 when she died & she started pooing on the floor after Id had her quite a few years. She used to wee on the litter tray & then go & find somewhere in the house to poo!! She even used to come in from the garden to poo! Infuriating...I just thought she was going senile or something, but my other cat who I still have is about 16 now & has never done it once. Im sorry I cant help because I really do know what its like. Hope you have better luck than me.
Tuesday: There's no pattern,I've exhausted every angle.It comes and goes like the seasons,and she's fixed....................well,she wasn't actually broke prior,....you get my drift
One of my girls seems to go through periods where she'll crap on the carpet.It's been going on for a few years,3 or 4 months on,4 months off.It never happened for the first 6 years of her life,every scenario has been exhausted,I'm at my wits end
wetware: That was NOT a naive question at all...Shutzhund is a SPORT..first and formost and we want everyone in it protected at all times...the helper,the handler and the dog.The dog will protect in any circumstance..what we are doing is getting the dog to know the difference from when the helper is just standing there (not being a threat) and when he makes a threatening movement....the dog takes the sleeve...the dog MUST "out" on command.IF my dog ever had to engage in a real life protection,I would want him to injure but NOT kill the person.and I would want him to "out" the person when I told him it was ok to.
When my trainer trains the police dogs..he wears a full bite suit and the dog DOES bite on wherever he can,arm,leg,back..other places,lol....but he is being trained for patrol..again,what I do is a sport.
anastasia: I think in a way I do understand what you mean by the "bond" that you share :) I had a male dog (half black lab/half setter) for over twenty years of my life (from a pup till the day he passed at a very, very ripe old age). He was my best friend, and was always there for me, no matter what, and vice-versa :) He was an INCREDIBLE frisbee player (did back-flips literally, if he had to, to get it), would follow me out past the breakers in the ocean even tho it was WAY too deep to stand (and you could tell he was thinking about WHY, but he'd come along anyway), the neighborhood playgrounds were obstacle courses for him (he took on any and all challenges as if he had no fear & people used to come around and watch him in amazement ), and even as a very old man, totally deaf, half-senile sometimes, and with his joints sometimes hurting him, he could be a 1/4 mile away and if someone approached me, he'd magically be at my side within seconds.....I will always love that dog, he had a heart that had no boundaries and wherever he may now be, I know he deserves nothing short of pure happiness, for that was what he gave me - if you only find a dog like that once in a lifetime, I'm glad I found him So, in a way, I think I really do understand
I don't know a thing about protection, beyond what little I've been able to see (from linked videos) and read from those of you who understand it. So please make allowances for my naive questions... Why do the dogs only seize the padded arm? Were a real-life intruder to wear such an apparatus, would a trained dog "go" for that, as opposed to some other, softer and more vulnerable areas? }:-O
srnity: You guys know that I always talk about the bond I have with Damien,and how it is sooo hard for me to put into words how I feel towards that dog...I thought that maybe with you guys actully SEEING what I do with him you would have a better understanding of how close the dog and handler MUST be to be able to do this type of work.He would give his life for me just as I would give mine for him.He is truely my soul and my reson for being..I love him!!
On a different note...Niki lost her first baby tooth!!!!
anastasia: W-o-w, absolutely awesome I think it's an amazing thing to be able to teach/train an animal to be of such service, whether for your own protection, or as a "worker dog". And I totally get the reason for the stick being used - these are by no means your "average" pet doggie & they need to defend themselves against whatever a human might throw their way. Besides, realistically, if a dog like one of these wanted to do a human REAL harm, they'd do it, whether they were in pain at the time or not - after all the work/time/effort on both the human and the dog's part that got them that far, they deserve to be respected for what they are capable of
A few words to you on this clip and this part of the training,first...the helper IS NOT beating the dog with the aggitation stick!! The dog takes 2 MAYBE 3 direct hits from the stick,usually right across it's harness,or to the upper side of it's body...it flexes and is soft..I beat myself in the leg with it one my first times at my club...it doesn't even sting,not at all!!! This is done to show that the dog will continue to protect it's handler even while under attack on himself.Notice that when the helper (the one with the sleeve) stops moving and the dog "outs" he will "hold" the helper there UNTILL the helper makes an aggressive move.
Please turn up the volume so you can HEAR how the dog responds to his handler...this is what ever one of us strives for..Also...please notice,the dog's tail is always moving..he is truly enjoying the work he is doing.The dog's long bite is trully a beautiful thing here!!!
Here is the obidiance part of the training that I do with Damien....I am having a BALL looking through these clips of the sport!! As I find the different phases of it...good video of it,lol...I will post it for you