what about concentration....could be a turn based game...you could also make in game notes on cards allready showen and turned back over

ScorpionOct64: No, marking cards already discovered would spoil the whole idea of this game ...

KnightFighter: your true in a sence but we have allready a game or games we make notes like
Espionage where you make notes on squares value and position before it disapears back to a question mark

KnightFighter: You are right - some people would not like playing certain games in a turn based environment - Just like you are put off by turn-based card games, some backgammon players are put off by turn-based backgammon games.

Great thing is - You are free to choose which games you want to play and not want to play. So (just a suggestion) - instead of trying to convince everyone else why you would not like turn-based card games, why not just accept that some will like to play that way and some will not.

(And it sounds like Fencer is not making it turn-based, so sounds like what he is working on might be perfect for what you like!)

coan.net: I am just expressing my opinion the same way that supporters of turn based card games do ... there is one big difference though ... I gave a big deal of thought to this subject and the rest just want to see cards on the screen thinking everything will be all right ... It won't be and I know after a while the new wave of criticism will flow into discussion boards ... too long vaccations, hey, "he is not discarding", "she is not melding", hey, I am waiting 2 months for stupid click on the deck and so on and on ... beside this turn based card games create a whole new breed of games ... why ? it's simple ... you are not allowed at the Gin table to make any notes, to use any tools to help you ... playing on-line in turn base system you basically are allowed to cheat ... this is not card game anymore, this is cheating ... I am analysing and creating games for years and know what kind of dynamics resides in particular genre ...
Andy.

KnightFighter: Every argument you made can be used for just about any games on this site.

people complain that people are not moving - or not moving pieces which do anything - waiting 2 months to click on the game to move a piece.

Playing chess over the board, you don't suppose to get outside support, but on a turn-based game system this is possible - It still is cheating.... just as it would be in a card game, but it's an argument which is already here and nothing new that is unique with a possible turn-based card game.

I agree that some card games would be tricky to put into a turn-based game site, but with some good planning, it can work (and for some games, already works on other sites).

Again, kind of a mute discussion since this is not what is being put on this site.

coan.net: it's ok, but correspondence way of playing started with chess, which was quite obvious choice ... other board games joined the whole story ... and it's still ok ... card games by their very nature are played fast ,,, there is not even one card game that uses time control of any kind ... I hope you got the point ... but, you are right, let's stop this stupid discussion.
Regards,
Andy.

After a little bit of internet searching I have found the other turn based sites coan.net indicates, one which has Rummy or what I would call Rummy tiles played with 106 cards or tiles (2 jokers) this is implemented well and another which offers Canasta and Cribbage which I have not yet played.

And there is another with Dominoe games which are often played faster than card games .

Also backgammon is played very fast , and that is popular now on turn based sites.


It is a pity that a turn based card game will not be put on this site, despite KnightFighters objections I would be interested in playing

Brag88: Thanks for mentioning Dominoes. A great turn-based game that should not be too hard to implement and would be very popular

As i mentioned below, i play Canasta & Cribbage on BugCafe, and they work pretty well

MadMonkey: Sorry I missed that, I have a game of Canasta going at BugCafe, I'm yet to get a Cribbage game set up, mainly because this is a game I`m still learning and retarded at. My User name there is Brag88 , open to invites.

Brag88: Opps, you got some comments confused - I'm all for turn-based card games. I've seen them work on other sites, and with a little planning for each (for unique situations like how to deal with timed out players who's cards in hand effect others) - I'm all for having turn-based card games on this site.

coan.net: yes I did--- sorry, actually I think I got some user names mixed up, I've corrected my comment ,

I RECENTLY REPLIED TO THE POLL AND WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN CRIBBAGE AND WHIST MAKE THE SURVERY LIST.

WHILE CARD GAMES USUALLY ARE FASTER MOVING (REAL TIME) IN NATURE AS A RULE, THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING
PLAYED AS TURN-BASED GAMES.
OTHER WEBSITES HAVE WORKED IT OUT FAIRLY WELL ACTUALLY.

MY CONCERN IS WHETHER THESE
GAMES WILL ALSO WORK AS WELL FOR WEBTV-ER'S AS THEY DO FOR
THOSE ON PC. THEREIN LIES THE
RUB! I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL THE GAME SITES, BUT BUG CAFE HAS FIGURED OUT A WORK AROUND FOR
US WEBTV-ER'S FOR BOTH CANASTA
AND CRIBBAGE.

ANOTHER ISSUE IS GAMES THAT ARE PLAYED BY MORE THAN TWO
PLAYERS. IF ONE PERSON DOESN'T
TAKE THEIR TURN IN A TIMELY FASHION IT WILL DELAY THE GAME AND RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE. BUT
THAT IS TRUE OF ANY GAME.

THE CANASTA GAME AT BUG CAFE COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE
TWEAKING AT TIMES, BUT THE
CRIBBAGE GAME SEEMS TO PLAY
OUT VERY WELL.

AS WITH ANY CARD GAMES TRYING
TO REMEMBER DISCARDED CARDS
AND SUCH IS EASIER IN REAL TIME PLAY AS OPPOSED TO THE
TURN-BASED STYLE. BUT IT'S A
SMALL PRICE TO PAY IN ORDER TO GET SOME POPULAR CARD GAMES
ONLINE. I'M ALL FOR IT AND
HOPE FENCER AGREES THAT IT'S
WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT TO
BRING SOME CARD GAMES HERE TO
BRAINKING.

GO FOR IT, FENCER!!

SEAWOLF2: You are wrong. Here are your words:
"AS WITH ANY CARD GAMES TRYING
TO REMEMBER DISCARDED CARDS
AND SUCH IS EASIER IN REAL TIME PLAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TURN-BASED STYLE. "
***
it's harder to remember and this is what makes card masters and the crowd ... in turn-based card games it's impossible to remember discards when you make a break, even 1 hour, not even mention days or weeks ...
and this is the way you make remembering easier, but this is cheating not remembering ...
If you want to remember you HAVE to make notes and this feature creates different kind of game ... it's no longer card game we know and enjoy ... true card players will never accept turn-based system ... of course, you make available, but this is like warming up ice cream in microwave ... it's possible but it makes no sense ...
Andy.

KnightFighter: Then don't play them, and let those that want to play them do that.

rod03801: someone has to "manufacture" a software for this new trend ... stop making this impression that this is something what we cannot live without and push Fencer to follow the crowd ... there are many gaming sites that are from the same candy-like factory ... I never stay long there, just register, look around and leave ... you know why ? because they do not have a soul, they are the same product like mac, burger king and cheap disney ...
Andy.

and nothing to do with card games but i still love to see a new battleboat variety on here

KnightFighter: I really do understand, Andy. But, if you read the news, he has already been working on this. Adding a new game type to this site (especially this type) does not make it "cookie-cutter". (It is rare to see this game type on a site of this sort). Adding this new game type does not change what is already here and gives this great site its personality.

Who said we can't live without it? It is Fencer's site, and he has already decided to do it. Most other people seem happy with this idea, why rain on their parade? If it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. It wouldn't be the first game that was added that probably didn't work out quite the way it was hoped it would.

I have agreed with you that a vast majority of card games would not work out here. However, that shouldn't stop the very few that would, from being here. And as Fencer said, the new game is not going to be the traditional turn-based type. If anything, this could be the start of a "new generation" of game types/play on this site. It's pretty exciting.

rod03801: You said: "I have agreed with you that a vast majority of card games would not work out here."
***
And I am talking about vast majority not about table-top-implementations of card games ... which in a sense are table or board games using cards to "move around" ... if you want to treat seriously card games in turn-based site you better be prepared to open your notebook and make notes ... otherwise, it will be just discarding and drawing without any sense ... if majority like this kind of nonsense, that's fine. I am warning only of awaiting us disappointments.
Andy.

KnightFighter: I agree. I am a card lover. I do not like the idea of making notes in a card game. It takes away a big part of what the game is all about it.

I again remind you of this post however : Opinion polls (Fencer, 2008-11-07 07:50:09)
It is not going to be turn based.

rod03801: ok, we agree and now we cab stop this discussion .. this is what I really wanted to hear from you.
thanks,
Andy.

KnightFighter: LOL. Whatever. The whole "turn based" part of the argument is inconsequential however since it (again) is not going to be turn based in the traditional sense.

All i will say on the matter is i play both on line, Poker (and many others) in real time, and also (as mentioned before) Cribbage & Canasta on BugCafe and i am quite happy with both, after all it is a persons choice to except the rules of the game when they sign up.

Its quite simple, like any game, if you do not like it do not play it, but give people a choice.

MadMonkey: it's also peoples choice to end their lives jumping from a skyscraper but my choice is to say it doesn't make sense ... while living 4 years in Austria I used to buy one schinken semmel
and it was delicious ... there was no other choice (for what?) ... here in the USA I have 30 choices at Subway and do you think I feel better ? If you do, it means you never tried european bread and ham ...
I hope I expressed well what's on my mind ...
Andy.

I'd like to see 'Preference' at Brainking

Alhimik1975: I've never played before, but that does look interesting, as a live game of course. I believe that is the first card game I have seen designed as a three player game.

After seeing the recent result of the card game poll, i was wondering how many people that voted for poker do not realize that the most common form(on TV and played in Tournaments) is Texas Hold'em, which got less votes lol

just a thought

new poll ? what do you think ?

yep rummy great game 7 & 8s is GOOD GAME LOL

SEAWOLF2:Yes cribbage and whist,I do thinck are very 2 game's,I would like to see .
also I like back Jack.from painter

how do u create a poll? jw

tiggar+pama=LUV: You can't, you can leave a suggestion here and maybe the powers that be might create it for you or, you can become a rook, create a fellowship and then you can create one

Vikings: but polls made in fellowships can only be voted on by people in that fellowship

we need some more polls so we can get the achievement

Snoopy: Have any good suggestions?

I'm always looking for new good polls to do. Would love for them to be some-what related to "BrainKing" (like the current one asking how people like the vacation rule change), but I will also do fun ones (like the old one about what summer movie people were looking forward to.)

Would also like it to be "world wide" type of question, not something like "What is your favorite US collage football team?"

.... of course I had already "stolen" the vacation rule change poll idea from one of your fellowship polls....

There all good games 2 play here on Brain King.

why do I get messages to participate in polls that are over?

Bwild: Earlier, I got the message with the subject "Subject: Opinion poll is finished" - about the vacation system opinion poll.

.... which I think Fencer has it setup to send the message to any poll that you vote in, that way you can see what the results are.

.... speaking of Polls, anyone have any good idea for a new one? Would be nice if it's BrainKing relates, but does not need to be.

I really don,t use mine . But only when I would be sick or something like that.Then I would.

coan.net: be nice to get a message before its over????

Bwild: When a new poll is put up, a message is put up on the main page. Once you vote, you get a message when the poll is over to see the result.

.. none .. retired senior here, and the game sites are enough for me

more options to vote on in this poll

http://brainking.com/en/OpinionPoll?poid=577


has the one im running in my fellowship is gaving us a very different answer

Imsoaddicted: I know we discussed a little of this on the tournament board, but would love to discuss it a little more. (The subject of too many team tournament) (Plus since I'm one of the people who create site team tournaments, I REALLY do like to know what others want & think when creating them.)

Yes, team tournaments like regular tournament can take a long time to complete when there are some slower players, or games that can last a long time in certain cases (like Cloning gammon when more and more pieces are introduced to a game.)

On the face, the idea of "no more team tournaments until the others are finished" sounds good, but in my opinion, not really good for most players.

For example, Lets say I love Backgammon & love playing in backgammon site team tournaments. I join one, I play all my games within 1 month - I did not do too well & my team did not do to well, so we will not move on.

So what you are saying since other players (usually just a couple) will hold up a tournament for many many more months, that you think there should be no more backgammon team tournaments until it is complete - even if it will take 2 more years? Think that would be kind of unfair to me to not be able to play a site team tournament for that long just because the last one had not been completed yet.

Of course a helpful solution would be if Fencer does implement the ability of tournaments to start next rounds once the winners are determined - that way even though a slow game might still hold up a tournament, it might also be one of those games that don't even matter to the final results of the round.

coan.net: Personally, I say keep creating them at the pace it has always been at. If there are teams that don't want to join another one until the one they are already is finished, then they can do that. Just like anything else, there is nothing saying anyone has to sign up for every single one.

Being a turn based site, of course things are going to drag on longer than many people would like. I've just accepted it by now. lol. BUT, being able to have next rounds start when there is a clear winner would be a GREAT compromise, and would help immensely. Hopefully that's part of 3.0!!!

coan.net: can i say first im really happy to see that only 2 were created for the month of August which is holiday season for most on BK
and i also think if Fencer includes the ability to move to next round in BK 3 and hopefully also include subs to will shut me up on the subject

i understand what your saying to
and of course ive got to abide by the creators and Fencer on this
but saying that i also feel that im also has a paying member of the site entitled to have a say on the subject to

Can any1 set up a poll? The poll I would like to ask, if people like my 4 player games or would U like more player?

DeaD man WalkiN: You can set up a poll in your fellowship.

So U mean a fellowship that I'm in or do U have to be the BIG BOSS?

DeaD man WalkiN: You have to be the Big Boss.