What is this about Bush not stopping any spending bill during his terms in office. The Medicare prescription bill I see cost (costs) between $400 billion to $2 trillion??

Education costs under Bush increased from $36 billion to $61 billion.

Jim Dandy: Homeland security... I don't get that yet. Sounds like a strange invasion of sci-fi (Babylon 5 re Night watch and such as the 'ministry of truth') into the real world. I thought the FBI were supposed to defend the internal borders of the USA!

More government???

Artful Dodger: Didn't the Republicans, especially the right wing extremists follow Bush without question? I heard everyone who was on Bush's side go.. "Saddam has WMD's".. Bush tried to link (probably worked for the weak minded folk) Saddam and Bin Laden.

Also you see to fail to remember of Bush's free speech zones, where protesters were herded away from where Bush's travel routes so the protests wouldn't be visible.

Tuesday: I'm not ready to brand the group anti black,though there clearly is a number of them who feel that way.I just think they can't stomach a Democratic president leading them.It seems they are freaked out about the taking of their liberties,well why weren't they upset when GW implemented wiretapping and other intrusive measures?

Tuesday: Personally I think Obama has been lousy so far, he needs to grow a pair, but the tea baggers freak me out and scare me as much as the KKK

Bernice:

Sarah: HAHAHAHAHA.....so true in here

Artful Dodger: Who said, "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

Artful Dodger: That's over the top offensive

Tuesday: What kinda party can it be without someone holding a sign of Obama with a Hitler moustache?

Artful Dodger: No I don't know you are right. Is it right that before 1994 the Republican policy on education was different and then the GOP fell in love with BIG government and federal interference in education?

I am looking on the web as we speak, and I am seeing nothing really to back you up, so I am looking for you to provide the data.

Otherwise I'll just consider this just another right wing conservative bash (same with all extremist groups.. left, right or central) on liberals.

We see it in PM's question time. It's just rhubarb!!

.. sorry to all those rhubarb lovers... I know it's a great fruit!!

Artful Dodger: Where is the raw data, no spin.. data.

I am a bit like a certain Mother Superior from the Dune books who asked for an info file but got no guts and notes. It's meaningless in such a form. As it is laced with political hogwash rather then pure info.

Artful Dodger: As I thought no proof, just conservative spin. And no, I have produced evidence, much more than yourself.

Yet I choose to think you know on somethings I am reporting accurately.. just you are stubborn so bite me

Artful Dodger: And so it seems that conservatives like to play the racist card as well.. in many forms.. or so here anyway.

Meaningful debate, without cutting corners.

Artful Dodger: Where is your proof, policy, legislation, etc..

As Pedro said, you ask us to provide. Where is your actual proof?


And you did say.. "True. And NCLB is one of the worst pieces of legislation to come out of Washington in a long time. Perhaps it means well but it handicaps most schools."

Bush made this policy, not liberals... it's kinda shooting yourself in the foot!!

Artful Dodger: And your actual proof of this is???

The point of your post was to make out that liberals are worse than conservatives.

... yet in your post, you are admitting that any mess in the education system is not purely down to the liberals. It's a case of you (liberals and conservatives) not forgetting party politics and uncalled unneeded personality bashing and joining together. Quite frankly the USA being a young united country I can understand why. We here went through the same hogwash after our civil war.

And if the NEA is like the UK unions for teachers (and I would like honesty here, not anti-union old score hogwash) then .. well, let us just say they will disagree with some policies. Some government policies are a waste of time and just create more work. The input and protection the teachers unions over here is vital.

Artful Dodger: corruption is a problem going from all sides. And the No Child Left Behind system isn't exactly helping..

I find it interesting that while Jeb Bush said the schools under his jurisdiction were all 'A' rated, 78% failed under NCLB rules.

I find also that the NEA is trying to stop and end contracts that prevent the best teachers working in poor schools and those who serve minorities.

..... spin has it's place, but like most spin it only tells part of the story. Eg the Conservative party blame Labour for policy 'X', yet back in the days of Maggie policy 'X' was made and introduced by the Conservative government. Like with many policy 'X' type screw ups.. it's too expensive to change, or.. other matters have a higher priority.