(V): "It'd be a bigger cover up than the Manhattan Project."

Well, at least you are keeping the examples more or less current... within the last 100 years.

One of my sources (who actually exists) told me the other day that MSNBC's position on the latest heath insurance flap, the one that says Mitt is a wife killer, is basically a load of you know what.

He also told me Bill Clinton may be one of the speakers at the Democratic National Convention, where Obama will go through the motions of being declared their candidate. Now THAT should be interesting to see.

I depend on my unnamed but actually existing source to fill in the gaps of what I don't know, because I've made it a point to ignore most of what I've been hearing... there aren't enough Q-tips in the world to clean the crap out of my ears if I listened to the "news" all day long... every day, day after day.

(V): Are you saying the "birthers" who are selling this conspiracy have so little respect for their fellow Americans that they would knowingly mislead them?

The Col: Because too many people are 'buying' into Obama's birth in more ways than one. The one's who would believe anything, and those who'd sell anything to make a dollar.

If they went to the CIA or other agencies, those who'd sell anything would be out of business.

(V): It's pretty ironic how this is the one conspiracy theory they gladly buy into.The mighty USA with all their supreme levels of security were apparently duped by a simple family from Kenya.I would think they would be more concerned with how this security breach could happen, but somehow there is no record of the" birthers" asking the CIA and other agencies how they could allow such an error to occur

The Col: It'd be a bigger cover up than the Manhattan Project.

Example of the lying left:
GST Steel had 4,500 employees in 1970. By the time they closed in 2001 they had just 750. They had been in business for over 100 years but had experienced a steady decline in profits after the 70's.

Enter Bain Capital. The plant was bought out and destined to close. Bain took steps that actually delayed the closing. Effort to keep the failing company didn't work and it closed in 2001.

Had Bain NOT entered the picture the company would have folded much sooner.

So how exactly is Romney responsible for Joe Soptic's loss of job and insurance and ultimately the death of his wife?

In the lying left's world, anything is possible if it can be used politically.

BTW, the former CEO of the steel company has explained that Bain came into the company and pumped millions of dollars into it trying to revitalize it. Other steel companies were bought and merged together but cheap foreign steel won the day and the plant ultimately failed. During the SAME PERIOD, 33 steel companies shut down due to the influx of cheap foreign steel!

When Bain closed GS Steel they were able to keep the other three plants open and thousands of jobs were saved. Where's the loony left on this fact of history?

The entire story put out by Obama's PACs is a lie. But that's what you libs do. And Joe Soptic is a loser. He's allowing the death of his wife to be used dishonestly for political purposes. What a low scum bag.

(V): They could probably tell you what he had for lunch on any given day, but why spoil the propoganda, apparently the "birthers" think some simple family can put one past all security channels

The Col: I sure he was checked out as soon as he entered into public office. I'm even more sure that the Republican party checked him out before he became Pres to see if there was any dirt that they could use on him.

Being non American born would be high on their list, and yet nothing on that subject pre or post election.

...Some people still think the apollo missions were a fraud.... Yet, a certain mirror says nooooo.

The Col: You know that for certain? There are too many questions and we the people deserve answers. This is a President that bypasses the Congress when he doesn't get his way and he's getting away with it despite objections from both sides of the isle. He's doing recess appointments when the Senate is still in session! His energy policies are forcing the closure of fossil fuel businesses and Romney is the bad guy for buying out a steel company that was near bankruptcy and he took steps to keep it afloat. But somehow it's Mitt's responsibility not to let a failing company fail so some workers don't lose their health insurance. People lose their jobs everyday and people get cancer every day and people die everyday. Everything about Obama is wrong (except for killing terrorists...he likes to do that). And now they cry out over and over for Mitt's tax returns while demands for seeing Obama's college records are ignored. The libs can take their double standards and shove them (be sure to remove your heads first).

Artful Dodger: I guess the CIA is in on the cover up too.You right wing nuts really think he hasn't been checked out by a number of high level security channels.

Übergeek 바둑이: It doesn't seem odd to you that the democrats are complaining that Romney isn't releasing more tax filings (although he's met the requirements) and yet here we have a President who has had his lawyers early on seal ALL his college records. Why is that? No one asks that question because he's a liberal. Had Bush had private records sealed, you left wing nuts would have lost your shorts over it!

I'm SURE there is something to the story. You don't get into Harvard with bad grades and Obama was NOT a good student. Something is amiss and denying it won't change that fact.

Artful Dodger:

> If that's true, even though Obama may have been born in the USA, he was no longer a citizen and still isn't.

Still flogging that dead horse. If Republicans keep the "birther" foolishness going, they look more desperate to win than anything else!

A foreigner or a tax evader and job killer. Come November the American public is in for a tought choice. Either way, I am sure Washington will really change for the better!

The US has begun a project to help clean up Agent Orange contamination at one area in Vietnam - the first such move since the war ended in 1975.

The work is taking place at the airport in the central city of Danang.

The US sprayed millions of gallons of the toxic defoliant over jungle areas to destroy enemy cover.

Vietnam says several million people have been affected by Agent Orange, including 150,000 children born with severe birth defects.
'Injustice'

Agent Orange Victims Association Vice Chairman Tran Xuan Thu told the BBC that although the clean-up activities were "a little late", they were "greatly appreciated".

"They show that the US government now is taking the responsibility to assist us. I hope these efforts will be multiplied in future," he said.

"However we consider that the clean-up is separate from the issue of compensating Vietnamese Agent Orange victims, who are still suffering from injustice. These victims will carry on with their lawsuits, no matter what."

MissDelish: That's what I said. Can't be that silly if you are agreeing with it.

#@!!^&* Okay, I'll try that again...



This is what the Martians saw when they sent a probe to explore earth.


You know, it's really hard to come up with something weirder than what Obama and his gang have been doing... but I'm getting closer.

This is when they sent a probe to explore earth.


You know, it's really hard to come up with something weirder than what Obama and his gang have been doing... but I'll keep trying.

There's an interesting development in the never ending saga of Obama. Questions are now surfacing regarding his college years. Classmates don't remember much of him if they remember him at all. And knowing that his earlier schooling yielded bad grades, the question is being asked how is it possible that he was able to gain entrance into the best colleges in America. A former classmate is suggesting that Obama gained access simply because he applied as a foreign student. We know that Obama attended school in Indonesia. You have to be a citizen of that country to go to the school he attended. So it's suggested that Obama's mother (or grandmother) had his citizenship changed. If that's true, even though Obama may have been born in the USA, he was no longer a citizen and still isn't. There's a question about his social security number and the legitimacy of it. The story goes on but expect more to come of this. It's hit the airwaves and you know the Right will run with it. (except for wimps like O'Reilly...he's too much of a skeptic on these things). But others are already making waves.

MissDelish: Jules doesn't like to share the attention.

I don't mind sharing it. As long as I get my quota - I'm good.

(V): what a silly thing to say "or to just 'grab' more attention to themselves." I would have thought it was the other way round. The paid members drawing attention to themselves. You sure can see that in here.

Iamon lyme: oh how clever :) I didn't see that "I am only me" well done :)

Iamon lyme: hahah I only call you Lemon Lime cuz it's easier to remember how to spell that. I can't spell Iamon lyme correctly. Holy crap! I just did it! I must be smarter than I look.

For five years I was on a cart while teaching art. I had a three three level card and put all my materials on the shelves. Then I'd wheel it from class to class. As there were other carts like mine it was suggested I write on the side "Art Cart." Hahaha, I actually wrote: "The Old Fart's Art Cart." The Principal thought it was funny and just shook her head. ;)

MissDelish: lol. Don't worry about it. Art calls me Lemon Lime and I'm ok with that. Sometimes I call him Artful Codger. I think he'd be okay with Fartful Codger, but that would be too obvious... we all know how much he likes to fart.

By the way, my name is actually "I am only me" (because I AM only me) all run together with only one space... it could mean "I am on lyme".

According to the history based on documents released to the National Security Archive and reflected in the book Mohammad Mosaddeq and the 1953 Coup in Iran, edited by Mark J. Gasiorowski and Malcolm Byrne, the coup caused long-lasting damage to the U.S. reputation.

"The '28 Mordad' coup, as it is known by its Persian date, was a watershed for Iran, for the Middle East and for the standing of the United States in the region. The joint U.S.-British operation ended Iran's drive to assert sovereign control over its own resources and helped put an end to a vibrant chapter in the history of the country's nationalist and democratic movements. These consequences resonated with dramatic effect in later years. When the Shah finally fell in 1979, memories of the U.S. intervention in 1953, which made possible the monarch's subsequent, and increasingly unpopular, 25-year reign intensified the anti-American character of the revolution in the minds of many Iranians."[102]

The authoritarian monarch installed in the coup appreciated the coup, Kermit Roosevelt wrote in his account of the affair. "'I owe my throne to God, my people, my army and to you!' By 'you' he [the shah] meant me and the two countries—Great Britain and the United States—I was representing. We were all heroes."[103]

On 16 June 2000, The New York Times published the secret CIA report, "Clandestine Service History, Overthrow Of Premier Mossadeq Of Iran, November 1952 – August 1953," partly explaining the coup from CIA agent Wilber's perspective. In a related story, The New York Times reporter James Risen penned a story revealing that Wilber's report, hidden for nearly five decades, had recently come to light.

In the summer of 2001, Ervand Abrahamian wrote in the journal Science & Society that Wilber's version of the coup was missing key information some of which was available elsewhere.

The New York Times recently leaked a CIA report on the 1953 American-British overthrow of Mosaddeq, Iran's Prime Minister. It billed the report as a secret history of the secret coup, and treated it as an invaluable substitute for the U.S. files that remain inaccessible. But a reconstruction of the coup from other sources, especially from the archives of the British Foreign Office, indicates that this report is highly sanitized. It glosses over such sensitive issues as the crucial participation of the U.S. ambassador in the actual overthrow; the role of U.S. military advisers; the harnessing of local Nazis and Muslim terrorists; and the use of assassinations to destabilize the government. What is more, it places the coup in the context of the Cold War rather than that of the Anglo-Iranian oil crisis—a classic case of nationalism clashing with imperialism in the Third World. [104]

In a review of Tim Weiner's Legacy of Ashes, historian Michael Beschloss wrote, "Mr. Weiner argues that a bad C.I.A. track record has encouraged many of our gravest contemporary problems... A generation of Iranians grew up knowing that the C.I.A. had installed the shah," Mr. Weiner notes. "In time, the chaos that the agency had created in the streets of Tehran would return to haunt the United States."[105]

The administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower considered the coup a success, but, given its blowback, that opinion is no longer generally held, because of its "haunting and terrible legacy".[106] In 2000, Madeleine Albright, U.S. Secretary of State, said that intervention by the U.S. in the internal affairs of Iran was a setback for democratic government.[107][108] The coup d'état was "a critical event in post-war world history" that destroyed Iran's secular parliamentary democracy, by re-installing the monarchy of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, as an authoritarian ruler.[109] The coup is widely believed to have significantly contributed to the 1979 Iranian Revolution, which deposed the pro-Western Shah and replaced the monarchy with an anti-Western Islamic Republic.[22]

"For many Iranians, the coup demonstrated duplicity by the United States, which presented itself as a defender of freedom but did not hesitate to use underhanded methods to overthrow a democratically elected government to suit its own economic and strategic interests", the Agence France-Presse reported.[110]

"The world has paid a heavy price for the lack of democracy in most of the Middle East. Operation Ajax taught tyrants and aspiring tyrants that the world's most powerful governments were willing to tolerate limitless oppression as long as oppressive regimes were friendly to the West and to Western oil companies. That helped tilt the political balance in a vast region away from freedom and toward dictatorship."[111] The United States initially considered the coup to be a triumph of Cold War covert action, but given its blowback, Kinzer wrote that it is difficult to imagine an outcome "that would have produced as much pain and horror over the next half century as that produced by Operation Ajax" had "American and British intelligence officers not meddled so shamelessly in (Iran"s) domestic affairs."[112]

>>>>> Reminds me of a little ditty....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqCknCOllg

MissDelish: Never be for pawns... to much risk of certain members going MAD with multinicks being used to cause confusion, or to just 'grab' more attention to themselves.

Iamon lyme: oops,sorry LamonLyme. corrected spelling. It would be nice if we could go back and correct our mistakes on these boards :(

@sigh@ wish I had enough money to put in that LemonLime. (V) is lucky to have enough to put in there.

(V): Get yourself one of these and quit worrying about it already... Sheesh!

Iamon lyme:

Evidence points to macrobial life existing on Mars.

(V): "hares of Standard Chartered have tumbled despite the bank denying allegations that it illegally "schemed" with Iran to launder money."

hares??

A bunch of rabbits owned by Standard Chartered fell down? A flight of stairs?

"Has anyone got a way of lacing the bankers champers with laxatives?? "

Been experimenting have ya?

So do want to "stick it" to all bankers or just the guilty ones? I don't do business with the bank. Credit Unions are the way to go. Money is secure and you don't have all the fees AND they are local and serve the community.

I'd rather lace the food of those lazy able-bodied welfare cheats with laxatives. That will get them off their asses!

hares of Standard Chartered have tumbled despite the bank denying allegations that it illegally "schemed" with Iran to launder money.

Shares in London fell 16.7%, about as much as its Hong Kong stock dropped.

The New York State Department of Financial Services said the UK-based bank laundered as much as $250bn (£161bn) over nearly a decade. It said the bank hid transactions for "Iranian financial institutions" that were subject to US economic sanctions.

The regulator said that Standard Chartered had hidden 60,000 such secret transactions. However, the bank denied the allegations, saying that it "strongly rejects the position or portrayal of facts as set out in the order" issued by the regulator....

......The regulator said that its nine-month investigation, which involved looking through more than 30,000 pages of documents, including internal bank emails, showed that the bank reaped "hundreds of millions of dollars in fees".

"SCB's actions left the US financial system vulnerable to terrorists, weapons dealers, drug kingpins and corrupt regimes, and deprived law enforcement investigators of crucial information used to track all manner of criminal activity," it said....

>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone got a way of lacing the bankers champers with laxatives??

there is a city that is one of the safest cities in America. Kennesaw, Georgia where gun ownership is a mandatory right. The city was selected by Family Circle magazine as one of the nation’s 10 best cities for families. “The award was aimed at identifying the best communities nationally that combine big-city opportunities with suburban charm, a blend of affordable housing, good jobs, top-rated public schools, wide-open spaces, and less stress.”

In 1982 the city passed the following ordinance [Sec 34-21] which was in response to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill.

(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.

(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.

Notice the part that reads exempt if you conscientiously oppose firearms, you do not need to buy a gun. Therefore, the Democrats do not need to by a gun but they can still enjoy life because everybody else in town has their back. There is still crime in Kennesaw but they are limited to the area of town that does not permit guns. There were three murders in 2010 committed by the same man in what is described as a “school safety zone,” an area extending 1,000 feet from any school, including adult colleges and technical schools. This means that even though Kennesaw has the most conservative gun laws in the United States, employees at the facility where the murders were committed could not have a gun on the premises because the Democrats were able to secure those areas as anti-gun.


Read the rest here:
http://guardianlv.com/2012/07/pro-gun-cities-have-less-crime/

*any comments against the Guardian simply means you are a pinhead and a moron. No attacks on the messenger (exceptions are made for the Daily Kos and Huffington, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc)

(V): One store, one example, and you think that you've made the case against guns? The reality is that in the UK there is a growing threat of violent crime.

Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK.

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.


The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

It also recorded the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU, and the highest absolute number of burglaries, with double the number of offences recorded in Germany and France.

Overall, 5.4 million crimes were recorded in the UK in 2007 - more than 10 a minute - second only to Sweden.

It's irresponsible to suggest that all a person has to do is a bit of slapping about and the criminal will flee. Idiotic. And let's not forget that awful incident with the dreaded handbag!!!

Granny needs a gun in her hand bag. Then when the criminals come, she takes it out, aims, pulls the trigger and kills as many as she can before they can get away. A dead criminal can't offend again. And there's no cost to put dead criminals in jail. Slapping them about does nothing. Shooting off their kneecaps does.

Vikings: We don't tend to have many killers in the UK. A mate of mine last year dealt (he's a store manager) with someone who walked in and the tried to walk out with a crate of beer... He ran after him, gave him a bit of a slapping (UK term) and left it at that.He sent a message to anyone else who was thinking of theiving from his store that you won't get away with it.

The store has not been hit since.

Most ridiculous British laws:

1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament

2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside-down

3. In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless except as a clerk in a tropical fish store

4. Mince pies cannot be eaten on Christmas Day

5. In Scotland, if someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter

6. In the UK a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet

7. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen

8. It is illegal not to tell the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing

9. It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament in a suit of armour

10. In the city of York it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow

Most ridiculous foreign laws:

1. In Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk

2. In Indonesia, the penalty for masturbation is decapitation (which head do they cut off?)

3. In Bahrain, a male doctor can only examine the genitals of a woman in the reflection of a mirror

4. In Switzerland, a man may not relieve himself standing up after 10pm

5. In Alabama, it is illegal to be blindfolded while driving a vehicle

6. In Florida, unmarried women who parachute on a Sunday could be jailed

7. In Vermont, women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth

8. In Milan, it is a legal requirement to smile at all times, except funerals or hospital visits

9. In Japan, there is no age of consent

10. In France, it is illegal to name a pig Napoleon

Vikings: Okay, so she made a big bloody mess in the house... so what? Kids will be kids. I think the dad ought to at least take her out for some ice cream. That's what I would do.

(V): thats nice that she frightened them off........................to go steal from someone else, This girl made sure that these thieves, killers, will never do it again!!!!!!!

(V): "...a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag."

When will these guys ever learn? You just don't mess around with granny! It never ends well.

Vikings: "He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals."

Ouch! And I'll bet it wasn't the abdomen wound that killed him...

As the father of three girls (all adults now) I have a fairly good idea of how the father must be feeling about this... pretty damn good!

Vikings: It would in the UK. Like the time when a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag.

(V): Once again the quick fix of gun regulations rears its ugly head.  Chicago has strict gun laws but the criminals don't follow the rules.  Imagine that! 

50,000 people are killed in knife attacks each year.  Let's ban silverwear.  On a more serious note, if a loon wants to kill people, there are plenty of ways to kill people.  Knives, machetes, cross bow, Exacto knives (what they used to take over the airplanes on 911,) poisions,  cars, mobs.....if you can think it, you can use it. 

But leave it to the left wing loons to use a tragedy to push for gun control. They are ok with knives killing people.  They are ok if cars kill people.  But use a gun, now that's a terrible crime.

These are the same people BTW that are perfectly fine with a doctor reaching into the womb and ripping apart a defenseless human being.   These are the same people that are ok with partially delivering a baby (leaving the head in the mother) and cutting a slit in the back of the baby's head and sucking it's brains out a tube.  THAT is fine with these people.  But gun ownership?  God forbid thousands die from guns but millions from abortions, yeah, they are ok with that.

Spare the rest of us your feigned outrage.

Teen kills NINE in knife attack.

And how about this one closer to home

Six people killed in Knife Attack!

Let's get the government involved in regulating knife purchases too while we're at it.  ~sigh

Butte, Montana
Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.


Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.



It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.


Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........?
An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself.

US authorities have said they are investigating reports that a gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin had white supremacist links.

Wade Michael Page, 40, who was gunned down by police during Sunday's attack near Milwaukee, reportedly performed in a far-right music group. President Barack Obama said on Monday "soul searching" was needed about how to reduce violence in the US.

The FBI is treating the attack as a possible domestic terrorism case. American Sikhs have reported being targeted since the 9/11 attacks, because they are mistaken for Muslims as a result of wearing turbans and beards.

Police chief John Edwards told a Monday morning news conference they were confident Page was the only shooter.

The gunman opened fire at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek as dozens of people were preparing for a service on Sunday morning. Five men and a woman aged between 39 and 84 died. Four people were found dead inside the building, and two outside....

....The gunman also fired at a police car and ignored orders to drop his weapon, before he was shot dead outside by police, said the authorities.

Page used a 9mm semi-automatic pistol, which was recovered at the scene and had been bought legally, authorities said.

A civil rights group, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has described Page as a "frustrated neo-Nazi".

>>>> A Joker and now a neo nazi... when are the gun laws in the USA going to get responsible, to which the nutters in the USA are screened out before they get the chance to buy thousands of rounds of ammunition online in one hit and kill people? Is it so against the 'constitution' that mentally unstable people are restricted from owning guns? Can't they just have one like in the old days???

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