Artful Dodger: I can't take all the credit. Without (V)s insightful comments and pinpoint analysis I would have nothing to work with.

http://slacktory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/drunk-baby-I-got-your-nose.jpg

Iamon lyme: someone is very clever!

(V): "Hallelujah!! .... was it a vision from the aliens??"

http://i.imgur.com/HCiwS.jpg

Iamon lyme: love the chess one lol

Iamon lyme: Oh great. Now I'm you again. Just when I was getting over my identity crisis.

Iamon lyme: yeah but the booze helps them sleep through the night

btw... "you da man" was a small point that a "you da man" feels it's right to tell women what to do with their bodies regarding babies. "you da man" says to women regardless of how (eg incest, rape) or the risks (to the mother) or if the baby is going to be so deformed that it's life quality will be zero.

"you da man" understand fully the impact on women in such cases.

Iamon lyme: The general consensus view on this board by most conservatives is that it's ALLLL the governments fault..... A real conservative always blames the government, always blames the "libs".

It is a surprise to hear someone 'conservative' state otherwise.

So, can you tell me what we can blame on businesses from a conservative view, so I can remember for later!!

Artful Dodger:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/Nitro2k/R5iKrONSvXI/AAAAAAAAAuo/YssYRwfQl9E/s400/1002.jpg

(V): "So is this finally an admission that you can't blame the government for everything."

Artful Dodger
28. June 2012, 11:08:10
Iamon lyme: All our troubles can be traced right back to the government.

So is this finally an admission that you believe AD and I are the same person? As I recall you appealed to the Mods to make us stop talking about it.

(V): "So is this finally an admission that you can't blame the government for everything."

Where did I say the government can be blamed for everything?

Iamon lyme: He just farted and said, "Woah! Did you hear that one?!"

Credit card companies Visa and Mastercard and major US banks have agreed to a $7.25bn (£4.65bn) settlement to retailers over card fees.

The case, which has been going on for seven years, is over firms colluding to fix the fees that stores pay to process credit and debt card payments.

The settlement is thought to be the largest of its kind in US history.

It involves a $6bn payment to stores and an agreement to reduce swipe fees for eight months, valued at $1.2bn.

An additional $525 million has been set aside to pay to the stores which sued individually, including grocery chains Kroger and Safeway and the Rite Aid pharmacy chain.
Previous settlements

The settlement involves credit card giants Visa and Mastercard, as well as major US banks which issue their cards including JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citibank.

Craig Wildfang, the lead lawyer representing the merchants, told AFP: "Over time, the reforms induced by this case and in this settlement should help reduce card-acceptance costs to merchants, which in turn, will result in lower prices for all consumers."

Visa and Mastercard already paid a combined $3bn to settle a lawsuit over their "honour all cards" policies, which tied acceptance of credit to debit cards.

The US Department of Justice also brought and settled a civil suit against the two firms in 2010 over policies that prevented stores from offering their customers cheaper forms of payments.

..... yet another price fixing story... I'm so shocked!

NOT!!

Tax evasion economics...

"Tax evasion will cost the U.S. government $305 billion in 2010 and has cost $3 trillion over the past decade. It is a major contributor to budget deficits and the accumulation of national debt since 2001. Tax evasion also costs state treasuries billions of dollars. Every tax filer will pay an extra $2,200 in 2010 to make up for the funds lost to tax cheating. Even modest success in reducing tax evasion would free up significant new resources for spending or deficit reduction. Yet last week's budget deal nixed a proposal by the Obama Administration to strengthen the IRS' enforcement capacity. "

N' just like in the UK who had to write off £25,000,000,000 just before the 2012 New Year, Conservatives want to cut the ability of those departments to catch fraudsters.

Even though every dollar/pound spent on catching those breaking the law gets a return of at least 3 fold!!

Iamon lyme: So is this finally an admission that you can't blame the government for everything. So, as such a U turn on past stated statements that businesses are as pure as virgin snow!!

Hallelujah!! .... was it a vision from the aliens??

"..you da man.."

Thankfully you are not "da man". Well intended ideas based on ignorant concepts... or as previously known in the UK... "baby kissing for the camera" never do any good.

Iamon lyme: The master of pettifogging loves to complain that others do what only he does.

The knucklehead left loves to vilify the rich. But it's the rich that provide the majority of jobs in society. They are the ones that take the risks, sometimes winning and sometimes losing. We peons get the benefits of their efforts in jobs.

If the rich were to pay "their fair share" as Obama is calling for, it would generate 85 Billion more per year. Wow, a lot of money huh? Except that the US spends that amount every 8 1/2 days. And we all know that given more money, the Congress would put that money into paying down the debt right? Fat chance.

(V): "I'm sorry that you have to use the "big money" 'act'."

I didn't have to, but since you are so fond of ragging on and on against big business and greed and such, I thought I'd get in on the 'act' too.

"..you da man.."

If you say so.

"Can you stop trying to pettifog?"

Why, am I not doing it right?

Iamon lyme: I'm sorry that you have to use the "big money" 'act'. Next time you go on about health care prices rising please remember that it is big business that runs the show through lobbying. So many Repub's taking 'bribes' so stocks can look good.

Well done on ignoring facts and using the conservative blinker system when it comes to reality.

I'm sure all the women who'd face jail/death and injury if 'you da man' gets to decide for them will appreciate you being ill informed immensely!!

... NOT.

Iamon lyme: Can you stop trying to pettifog?

Lets end a BIG CONSERVATIVE LIE right now....

""An unsafe abortion is the termination of an unwanted pregnancy by persons lacking the necessary skills, or in an environment lacking minimal medical standards, or both.[1] For example, an unsafe abortion may refer to an extremely dangerous life-threatening procedure that is self-induced in unhygienic conditions, or it may refer to a much safer abortion performed by a medical practitioner who does not provide appropriate post-abortion attention.[2]

Unsafe abortion is a significant cause of maternal mortality and morbidity in the world. Most unsafe abortions occur where abortion is illegal,[3] or in developing countries where affordable well-trained medical practitioners are not readily available,[4][5] or where modern contraceptives are unavailable.[6] About one in eight pregnancy-related deaths worldwide is associated with unsafe abortion.""


Unsafe abortion is a major cause of injury and death among women worldwide. Although data are imprecise, it is estimated that approximately 20 million unsafe abortions are performed annually, with 97% taking place in developing countries.[31] Unsafe abortion is believed to result in approximately 69,000 deaths and millions of injuries annually.[31] The legal status of abortion is believed to play a major role in the frequency of unsafe abortion. For example, the 1996 legalization of abortion in South Africa had an immediate positive impact on the frequency of abortion-related complications,[34] with abortion-related deaths dropping by more than 90%.

Iamon lyme: most abortions of the "back alley" days were done by professional medical personal. Another lie from the baby killers.

Artful Dodger: (V) read me the feminist manifesto riot act from the 1970's. It's a bit outdated.

Abortion is big business and that means big money, so (V) can rest easy... the days of back alley abortions are a thing of the past. And all thanks to greed that argues in favor of convenience.

Iamon lyme: Women do have to live by "our" rules. A woman left her child unattended in her car and the child was taken away and the woman went to jail. Yeah, she broke the "rule."

(V): "...you tell all women that they have to live by your rules!!"

That's a lot of women. Can you be more specific?

Iamon lyme: I once explained to a woman on BK (no longer here) the exact procedure involved in partial birth (breech birth the baby, turn it over, jam a long needle into the base of its skull, suck out its brains, deliver the dead baby, go have coffee.

She called me a liar and never talked to me again. Sick idiot. She didn't even care enough to get her facts straight. Most pro choicers are like that: ignorant of facts.

(V): "...the foetus has to 'trick' the hosts immune system to not kill it."

Not a perfect ploy if the foetus can't trick the host itself into not killing it.

(V): ".. they can't survive without their host for 9 months. As such the mechanics are that the foetus has to 'trick' the hosts immune system to not kill it."

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-baby-alien-movie.jpg

Iamon lyme: Is it.. they can't survive without their host for 9 months. As such the mechanics are that the foetus has to 'trick' the hosts immune system to not kill it. It does not even have a nervous system to be able to feel pain for several weeks. It is as such biologically wise a potential independent being, and only when it is born independently alive.

Children are alive, so are the women who give birth to them.

Abolishing abortion will only drive it underground. Did you think of that and the consequences to the health of women? Did your moral outrage allow you to make a hypocrisy of your "big government", "freedom" and "equality" while you tell all women that they have to live by your rules!!

(V): "...women had control over their bodies for the first time, now it's time to strike back at the women and tell them again that they are mainly just baby machines? That is sick."

Yes (V), women are just baby making machines. Men are just the human biological mechanics that keep those machines in working order. And working together, like a race car and pit crew, they are able to spit out one human biological machine after another... pooping and crying, and crying and pooping, day after day after day after day.

(V): "To worry more about living children is absurd?"

No, it's absurd when you imply pre-aborted babies are not alive. Using your own logic, why would you worry about the "5 kids lost each day to Child abuse" instead of the kids who are still alive?

Is this abortion ideology because of the pill?

Because women had control over their bodies for the first time, now it's time to strike back at the women and tell them again that they are mainly just baby machines?

That is sick.

Iamon lyme: To worry more about living children is absurd?

so, a campaign to end abortion but lets not worry about those growing up, they feel pain and fear.

Artful Dodger:

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/T/n/e/d/a.aaa.jpg

Iamon lyme: I wish my neighbor would give me that offer. Have sex with his hot wife three times a week and pay me. hmmmmm Is that reverse prostitution?

Iamon lyme: Crazy. The unborn ARE living even as a zygote. By the time they get aborted, many of them get ripped from limb to limb (literally) or scaled in an acid solution. Like catching babies with pitchforks except you can't see the horror.

Artful Dodger: If this goes to trial, can you imagine the judge keeping a straight face? I think Maus should keep the money. It was Soupolos idea in the first place, he talked Maus into it...

Three evenings a week for six months, and now Soupy wants his money back. No way.

(V): "I'd be more worried about the living ones..."

That's absurd.How many dead babies do you think are killed by abortions? Abortion IS child abuse.

hahahah
http://i.imgur.com/Y5HPw.jpg

Iamon lyme: the abortion debate will never be settled until it's abolished. And like it or not, under Obama care we are paying for abortions.

.. I'd be more worried about the living ones if I were in the USA.

5 kids lost each day to Child abuse, the worst record in the industrialized world.

Millions of reported cases of abuse and/or neglect each year... Texas being one of the worst due to State spending cuts in the services. you know how it works....

... Cut taxes to bring in the rich, that funds to look into child abuse cases and support are slashed is of no importance to the Conservative Gov'nor Rick Perry.

.. they can't vote!!

Artful Dodger: This was my usual reaction to someone if they suggested we abort one of our babies...

http://justjacqui2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/angry-baby-750837.jpg

You'd be surprised how often this was suggested, and for no other reason than for our own "convenience".

Iamon lyme: and

Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000 incl illegal ones (world wide)

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_abortions_take_place_a_day#ixzz20I0IegPR

Current Population Clock
World 7,025,477,767
04:38 UTC (EST+5) Jul 11, 2012

Over a hundred thousand new people since yesterday.

MissDelish: Yes you did.

MissDelish: I kept telling people Lemon Lime is smarter than I and so we can't be the same person. I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

Iamon lyme: thank you LamonLyme....a case of someone not reading the appropriate statements properly :)