Czuch: LMAO!!! hahahah, I just sat out a hand to come here and make the last post, and I wasnt paying attention, now I have just under 500 chips and cant get back on the table!!!! and 12 hours to get more chips!

We either need lower buy in tables or at least a way to sit out a hand or two without giving up our seats, or even better BOTH!

Thing is about only 500 minimum table limits, lets say I get a new stack, I play a hand and lose my blind, say 20 bucks, then I have a computer problem or something, or I just have to go to the head.... now I have 480 chips but cant get into any games?

coan.net: okay... now check game 22 on no limit 8 person table... i was next after big blind, but it skipped me and went around and I made my call after the big blind checked, this is a bug that needs to be looked at please.

I have seen now that there are some upper limits when you sign on to a table, but they should be mentioned as part of the table description please?

Also, what happened to the idea of some upper buy in limits as well?

Since we are only given a 500 chip rebuy, couldnt we have some tables with less than 500 minimum buy in please?

Bernice: I think some people are waiting for fencer to reset the chip count and start everyone over again.... but he wants to do it after its bug proof, but it wont be bug proof if nobody plays?

Im not sure what I can do, I sometimes try to play like I dont have as much money, but that isnt how poker is played, if you have it you are supposed to use it to your advantage, even if it means stealing blinds all day long.

I think a tournament structure could be utilized, then we would all have the same amount of starting chips, and no huge reserves to fall back on.


Maybe, since fencer is going to reset everyone anyway, maybe he could simply give some people a big stack of chips so we could play a few higher no limit games and such.... I want to play, but like you said, I have too much money and its no fun for me to just play to lose on purpose either

hard to work out the bugs with not much action..... more often than not I see nobody playing, and even then its one table with a few low limit people, even Mr coan.net seems to be laying low these days?

I think you might find that people enjoy a tournament format, I would suggest that before pot limit games, any plans in that direction fencer?

nodnarbo: yes, thats all good, and thats how it should be

coan.net: You know BBW, since you created the poker tables, you can easily go back in and add an upper limit in the description for each table, it doesnt actually have to be coded, it can be player enforced.


Something like;

min $1000 max $2000

min $1000 max $5000

min $5000 max $10000

min $10000 max $20000

Min $50000 max $100000

Fencer: It sounds correct to me as well.... just remember... flushes go through all 5 cards too.

Czuch: Here is what i found, I stand corrected...

10. In limit hold em, there will be a max limit of a bet, a raise, a reraise, and another reraise. When only two players are involved in a hand this betting "cap" does not apply.


It seems that these raise rules dont apply to no limit games though

oh yeah... one thing I just now remembered.....

There should only be a max of three raises in any one betting round, I think I remember seeing people raise and re raise until nobody wanted to raise anymore.....

Czuch: This is for texas hold em.... there are other variations of texas hold em where you have to use both cards from your hand or one card and other variations like that, but we are talking only about traditional texas hold em

emelin: I dont agree completely with this one, they say that if the board has a K kicker, for example, and one player also has a K kicker in their hand, the player with the one in their hand wins.

I say it is still a split pot tie, that a kicker in ones hand is no different from a kicker that comes from the board....

Summertop: I think timed out players are folded already?

I have yet to have any lag problems, do you use firefox?

I know some sites do offer the option to view where you sit from the bottom, or where you actually are, it should be easy to implement this at some point, I would assume.

same with most of the other ideas, i would guess that as time goes on, there will be continual upgrades, but you have to start somewhere, it cannot be all perfect before it is tested.

Fencer: So in the example of the flush, whomever has the highest spade in their hand is the winner, unless there are 5 spades all on the board that are higher than any in someones hand.... then it is again a tie and split pot

Fencer: I will search as well for something more official too..... but my understanding has always been that a kicker has to be any one of the five cards used in the hand.... but not one that makes up the hand.... for example, if we tie a hand with 2 pairs KK and QQ, then the next highest card is the kicker, if that card comes from someones hole cards, then they win the hand, if it comes from the board cards then they both share the same kicker and the hand is a tie and a split pot....

coan.net: Also, it looks like the fellowship tables are no different from the public ones?

Also, are pawns able to play poker?

coan.net: How come no pot limit games?

coan.net: Good point about the cheating..... I think they will do that even if its just for bragging rights too

coan.net: Maybe we could trade poker money for brains, or even a new membership, say 1 million poker money for a 6 month rook?

rod03801: I dont think that is what he is suggesting.... when we are talking about resets, we mean that everyone be set back to a set number, like $1,000, and basically starting over.

But, people will always be able to get a new $1000 when they run out, but only once a day, which helps prevent people from just taking their $1000 and going all in pre flop, and if they lose they just go back get more money and try it again until they get lucky.... you have to have some sort of way to make free play money hold some sort of value, or the game integrity is really compromised (more than it already is using play money anyway)

Czuch: One problem I see with that idea is that people will play foolishly with their money if they know it will be reset later anyway.... play money already makes poker play different from the real thing, and resetting money would only make it worse.

puupia: Another option to keep the game interesting would be to reset everyones chips back to 1000 for example weekly. At the time of the reset the player with most chips would be announced the weekly champion. And after resetting the chips everyone could compete at same level again.


I am sure I could never support this idea....

puupia: Im not sure if this is the answer to help... but most poker games the house takes a cut of every pot, that does take back some money off the table, but I am not sure if it would really matter or not?

puupia: It would be like black jack without table upper limits... all you have to do is double your bet every hand after you lose, and eventually you will win all your money back....

If someone makes you consider putting all your chips in on every play, you are either going to lose all your money or you are going to fold a lot of good hands... every once in awhile you will get hot, and double up a few times, then leave the table with your winnings, but you also have to remember that there is likely other people at the table as well, making it even harder to win.

Gordon Shumway: You can't "bully" people in a cash game.


Well, if I have a gazillion chips to your 100, I can put you all in pre flop every hand, with very little risk to my stack.... sure you can fold, but even if you have pocket aces, i will get lucky and beat you, I guarantee that I can wipe you out or at least make it so you dont want to play anymore....

Czuch: I just noticed that after the hand, it says the winners and how much they won, but not the hand they won with, and before it did?


Well, it seems to be work ing properly right now again.... I know when everyone else folds it will not show what hand won.... but there is probably some sort of bug.... I think it was when we both went all in, or maybe three of us did, and it said who won, but didnt show what hand won it, I will keep an eye out for it to happen again though....

I think it would be more convenient, after entering a raise, to be able to use our "enter" button to submit it, as well as the "raise button in the game..... just like when we type a message, simply using our enter button works there very well.

It would be nice to have an upper chip start limit as well as a minimum one on some tables, keeps people with huge stacks from coming in and taking over a game.

AbigailII: The audit is that if there are any problems or cheats, nobody will play at your site.... poker sites are likely some of the best managed sites for bugs and hacking that there are!

Fencer: all poker gambling sites have a sister site that is for play money only..... you need to have one that is allowed to advertise!

can we get an option to show our hand or muck them when we win but everyone else folded? sometimes you like to show your bluff to everyone, or that you had a really good hand.

I just noticed that after the hand, it says the winners and how much they won, but not the hand they won with, and before it did?

Fencer: It doesnt have to be here... it could be a seperate site, never too many poker sites....

Fencer: ok, thanks! I dont think any more bugs exist though....

BTW, for my help beta testing, do I get some free cash when you take it to the real cash game level?

Fencer: how long will we be testing before the chips count is reset?

...and the goal in poker is to always win all the chips, but its a lot of time to spend doing it, when it will all be wiped out

AbigailII: Since it is possible to lose all your chips and then reload them once a day, its likely many more chips than that will be in play....

Fencer: So the word is you will reset all people to 1000 chips? When? Makes little sense to play until then...

Fencer: Thanks.....

There is a bug in the no limit games.... most people dont play them, but sometimes if you bet all in, you win double the amount of your bet, even if the person you went against doesnt have the same amount of money as you do.


another one, if the board has an ace high flush, or even a 4 card flush, the person with the highest card of that suit in their hand should win, but right now it has them all at a tie for the pot. That is wrong.