BrainKing - Форумы (Tournaments)

Субъект: Re: rabbitoid's idea

Fencer: Agreed, but the point is that if the lower-rated player has the advantage in a tournament game, this creates an incentive for players to intentionally lose non-tournament games in order to improve their chances in the tournament.

3. Февраля 2006, 07:22:36

Субъект: Re: rabbitoid's idea

KotDB: Generally said, when you play in an elimination tournament, you should play to win, not to draw. Yes, it requires a more risky way of playing but that's just an attribute of this system.

3. Февраля 2006, 07:10:00

Thad

Субъект: Re: rabbitoid's idea

KotDB: But that would be harder to keep track of, harder to verify, & harder to code. ;-)

3. Февраля 2006, 00:50:56

Peón Libre

Субъект: Re: rabbitoid's idea

Fencer: In light of Andre Faria's comment, I think it would be better to use the value from the start of the game. Otherwise there may be a strong incentive for players to lose games.

2. Февраля 2006, 22:54:41

Субъект: Re: rabbitoid's idea

Thad: The BKR value at the moment of accepting the draw is always used.

2. Февраля 2006, 22:48:17

Thad

Субъект: rabbitoid's idea

Just thinking here. If the lower seated player is to advance in the case of a draw, what happens if Al & Bob are playing a tournament match and Al is higher at the start, but then Al loses a regular game to Carl and his rating goes down to below what Bob's is. Al's was higher at the start of the match, but Bob's was higher at the end. So who advances?

Sorry, I don't have a good solution to this, just thought it should be brought up.

2. Февраля 2006, 19:29:50

Субъект: Backgammon

Сделано для Eriisa (2. Февраля 2006, 19:30:26)

Single Elimination Backgammon #2

6 players still needed - Tourney starts 1 day 19 hours from now.

*added* but I will start it earlier when it fills up.

2. Февраля 2006, 18:18:43

Andre Faria

Very fast 4 players elimination tournament here

2. Февраля 2006, 13:42:51

Doris

Субъект: CONGRATULATIONS

Coudy

for winning the tournament Backgammon & Hyper 2100+ First 8 (Hyper Backgammon)

2. Февраля 2006, 13:29:12

Andre Faria

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Сделано для Andre Faria (2. Февраля 2006, 15:20:03)

furbster: If it would be in a final, I could even lose a game on purpose, just to put my BKR lower, so I could win that tournament... :(

It seems to be that this is not a solution... Imagine a prize tourney being dependent of player's BKR...

2. Февраля 2006, 13:09:39

Lambik

Субъект: Re: single elimination

furbster: Do not let them play against eachother in the first round. The player who beats the strongest player in the first round wins.

2. Февраля 2006, 13:06:48

furbster

Субъект: Re: single elimination

rabbitoid: but what happens if the ratings are so close or even the same eg, 1501 : 1502

2. Февраля 2006, 12:53:33

Субъект: Re: single elimination

rabbitoid: Yes, that's a good idea.

2. Февраля 2006, 12:37:50

Lambik

Субъект: Re: single elimination

I played last month such a tournament and indeed if a low rated player draws a higher rated player, then the latter on losts. In the first rounds the rating differences were big, but the semi-final was close. (I was knocked out in the quarter final)

2. Февраля 2006, 12:34:22

Retep

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Thad: This isn't a problem that only occurs at single elimination unless you play 2 game matches in a normal tournament. By the way, if a game is too unfair (which Chess is certainly not) I wouldn't play it ;-)

2. Февраля 2006, 12:14:36

Thad

Субъект: Re: single elimination

rabbitoid: That still leaves a problem in games line Pente where P1 enjoys a strong advantage. For average players, this doesn't really matter, but just as in Chess where strong play on both sides results in a draw, strong play by both sides will produce a win for P1.

2. Февраля 2006, 12:09:39

rabbitoid

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Fencer: instead of a "no draw" rule, which impossible to impose in chess, why not fix that in case of a draw the lower rated player stays?

2. Февраля 2006, 11:22:45

Jirik

2. Февраля 2006, 09:12:39

J.T. single elim.I

Peón Libre

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Luke Skywalker:
I would expect only one, or possibly two if a single-elimination tournament can be defined with two games between each pair of opponents.

But I've observed that the number of slots they tell you to need often has little or nothing to do with the number of slots you actually need. Caveat emptor.

2. Февраля 2006, 09:11:37

Good Luck :)FLR

Субъект: single elimination and draws

i believe it will be unwise to make single elimination tourney for games boards(chess or checkers) because the possibilities to have draws are high especially on the final rounds unless is used the bkr :)

2. Февраля 2006, 09:09:41

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Luke Skywalker: Game slots are not used for single elimination tournaments. Because you'll never play more than 1 game at the same moment.

2. Февраля 2006, 09:09:01

Субъект: Re: Single elimination

Lambik: I might change it.

2. Февраля 2006, 09:00:52

Luke Skywalker

Субъект: single elimination

how many game slots will pawns and knights need for this kind of tournament?

2. Февраля 2006, 08:50:00

Lambik

Субъект: Single elimination

Сделано для Lambik (2. Февраля 2006, 08:50:20)

Fencer: With single elimination, it is not possible to "draw" a game. But how about games that could not be won? For example a chess game with not enough material (K+N+N against K for example) or what about the fifty moves rule? Some time ago I had a game with three times the same position, but no automatic draw. Is this doable?

1. Февраля 2006, 21:24:23

Antje

The Sunshine Club has lots of new tournaments, and some Ponds, for anyone interested!

http://brainking.com/en/ShowFellowship?fid=41

1. Февраля 2006, 19:16:46

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Fencer: oh cool!

I didn't realize that they will start as filled! That is awesome!!!!

1. Февраля 2006, 19:08:45

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Luke Skywalker: Yes, this is a known issue. A side effect of new features :-)

1. Февраля 2006, 17:35:46

Субъект: Single elimination backgammon

Сделано для Eriisa (1. Февраля 2006, 17:37:45)

I have 2 tourneys set up. Lets try them out!

Single Elimination Backgammon
(set up for 4 players each....)
# Backgammon
# Nackgammon
# Crowded Backgammon
# Hyper Backgammon

Single Elimination Backgammon #2
16 players needed

1. Февраля 2006, 16:46:09

furbster

Субъект: Re: single elimination

Luke Skywalker: very good point, in fact i've just been looking for it, adn i decided it'd been deleted since my lunchbreak.

1. Февраля 2006, 16:44:26

Luke Skywalker

Субъект: single elimination

this tourney
http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13412&trnst=0
has already started, but not enough people have singed up for some of the games. When the tourn was still in the "signed" state, it stated a deadline of 29 days until those would be deleted.
2 problems:
- the deadline is not stated now
- the tourn is not listed in the "signed" category anymore, so people probably won't find it and won't know that they still can sign up for it.

1. Февраля 2006, 16:39:37

furbster

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13452&trnst=0

1. Февраля 2006, 14:13:39

Who wants a free membership?

1. Февраля 2006, 11:06:37

plaintiger

Субъект: Re:

Fencer: aha! you clever devil!

(and excellent coder, i might add! ;)

1. Февраля 2006, 10:44:25

Субъект: Re:

plaintiger: It is currently disabled because I need to test it first. But I'll enable it soon (by uncommenting one line in the source code

1. Февраля 2006, 10:31:01

plaintiger

question: how does one *start* a tournament with an entry fee? i don't see any options for it in the tournament setup pages. thanks...

1. Февраля 2006, 10:20:04

Retep

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

Fencer: Oh, then I misunderstood this ;) By the way, it's nice to see the tournaments marked after joining.

1. Февраля 2006, 10:13:28

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

Retep: It was just an example. Nobody says the prize must be always only 25%. The tournament I've just created has 40% prize for the winner.

1. Февраля 2006, 09:47:39

Doesn't matter.

1. Февраля 2006, 09:45:29

Retep

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

Сделано для Retep (1. Февраля 2006, 09:45:44)

I agree with arpa, that's very "unpleasant"! This:

# The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee. Players are informed about this status on the tournament page. #

means a prize tournament can't be started with less than 8 players.

31. Января 2006, 23:17:18

arpa

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

Сделано для arpa (31. Января 2006, 23:18:09)

Fencer: 1) tomorrow? i don't know this! wonderful!

2) oops ... i change that word in "unpleasant" ok?

31. Января 2006, 23:04:59

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

arpa: Why don't you wait for tomorrow? The S-B is already fixed, it just needs to be uploaded.
Btw, I don't like the word "stealing".

31. Января 2006, 23:01:34

arpa

Субъект: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

see Help page

8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

instead of .... The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee.

8 players it's the same.

same page ....The tournament is defined with these prizes: 25% to the winner, 10% to the second place and 5% to the third place....

I think 60% "loss" is an stealing ... 20% are reasonable (50% 20% 10%).

NECESSARY REWIEW S-B CALCULATION (today are incorrect)!!! see(for example):

http://senseis.xmp.net/?SonnebornBerger

31. Января 2006, 22:27:09

Субъект: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

arpa: Huh?

31. Января 2006, 10:29:07

Nirvana

Субъект: Join in!

Cørηųcøpίa Agaίη

30. Января 2006, 06:12:58

ScarletRose

Субъект: Congrats to imsoaddicted for being #1

at Dark Battleboats in the tourney Scarlets Springtime Follies".

30. Января 2006, 03:14:06

Czuch

Субъект: Do you like spiders?

Sider line 4 first 8 to sign, two games each, under 2000 rating.

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13388&tri=83887&trnst=0

29. Января 2006, 15:10:44

Субъект: Re: Moving tournaments aloong

Walter Montego: I am not working on it.

But I plan to do so.

29. Января 2006, 14:38:51

Walter Montego

Субъект: Re: Moving tournaments aloong

Fencer: This will be a very good improvement. I'm glad you're working on it. Good luck.

29. Января 2006, 12:51:23

Congrats to CameronsDad for winning Speed Gammon #2's Backgammon Race!

29. Января 2006, 12:21:02