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23. Октября 2004, 02:18:57
DeaD man WalkiN 
Субъект: scooby and others
Most of the time Stevie and I don't see things the same way. But on this auto vacation crap. I do have to say Stevie is saying most everything I think is right on it.
So on the 1 or 2 day tourney, if a person has not takin 1 vacation day all year they could hold a tourney to make it last for 1 turn over a month. Yes as it is now that the way the rules have it but is it really being a true sport about the game? ok puff back to my corner I pop.
:o{P

23. Октября 2004, 01:51:53
Stevie 
LMAO your loss ;oÞ

23. Октября 2004, 01:49:33
scooby 
I dont want to talk to you. Ive been warned things

23. Октября 2004, 01:44:42
Stevie 
Scooby, Im sure youll be told..."get a membership" so you can have more games etc. But thats not the answer is it ;o)LOL

23. Октября 2004, 01:42:19
scooby 
especially annoying when its against a pawn :( It would only need 1 player to do this and hold up a tournament we are in for ex. Or 20 players to do it and we have no games to play

23. Октября 2004, 01:16:59
Stevie 
hence..the words abused upchuck

but i dont think its worth mentioning anymore cos obviously the managements minds are made up

23. Октября 2004, 01:03:07
Czuch 
One point not yet mentioned (I think) is that these people are not away with an emergency, they are here...

I like auto vacations too, for emergency use. But maybe it could be set to only work if a player is not on the site? If they are here and purposly not playing games that are due to time out, the auto vacation should not be kicked in. Personally, I dont think any vacation days should be valid if the person is on site. If you can accept a 5 day limit game, and you are able to get on site, you should have to play your games at that limit, period.

22. Октября 2004, 20:22:26
Stevie 
and of course you are right ;o)
nice when goal posts allways move isnt it :o(

22. Октября 2004, 20:21:12
harley 
I've never said I have a great memory! Feature requests is just that. People suggest things, Fencer & Liquid add what they like. I don't remember many objections if this was mentioned at features? I could be wrong though so don't jump on me for that one! I think most people would be glad of this if they ever needed to fall back on auto-vation. As was said earlier, for the majority its a great addition. Of course there are always a few who will abuse it, as with anything. But overall, it will benefit most people.

22. Октября 2004, 20:18:10
Stevie 
I doubt it

22. Октября 2004, 20:17:42
BuilderQ 
On the other hand, won't the auto-vacation feature make players more willing to play 1-day-per-move games, hence resulting in faster game play?

22. Октября 2004, 20:15:50
Stevie 
nope, i remember the suggestions made on feature board

22. Октября 2004, 20:15:05
harley 
Yes, a chosen few wanted it. Fencer and Liquid. And last time I looked, they don't have to ask anyone before adding every small detail to their site!

22. Октября 2004, 20:12:32
Stevie 
Субъект: Nobody is dictating to you. The rules have been set, you have to learn to live with them.
no one dictating???
So were we all asked if we wanted this addition? or did just a chosen couple want it, so hey presto

22. Октября 2004, 20:12:26
harley 
Because, Stevie, even people who want to abuse the auto-vaction can only do it 30 times! And then they lose all their vacation days, and they can't avoid timing out, and if they want to go away they won't be able to set any more days.

22. Октября 2004, 20:11:16
Rose 
Quick players club is a joke now. When super slow players are in, knowing full well it is for fast players only and when confronted on it keep playing more games meant for fast players yet take a week or more to move!

22. Октября 2004, 20:08:10
Stevie 
most rules are ok though. game time is a rule. why have it now? no one is answering that

22. Октября 2004, 20:07:41
grenv 
and in the quick message answering club :)

22. Октября 2004, 20:07:28
grenv 
indeed i am (in quick players club).

I am not losing sleep over it, just bringing up the point that these rules can easily be abused.

22. Октября 2004, 20:05:26
harley 
Nobody is dictating to you. The rules have been set, you have to learn to live with them.

grenv, you seem to have a genuine problem with this. It seems you've already contacted the person who is holding your games up, I'm sorry but if they won't move any faster there isn't much you can do except try to avoid these people in the future.
Are you in the Quick players club? The people there generally move fast.

22. Октября 2004, 20:03:19
Stevie 
ditto. why take on more games. then struggle to keep up, or spend all day on here?
Some of it is due to players taking on more than they can handle too

22. Октября 2004, 20:01:57
grenv 
I only like to play a few games at a time, I'm not smart enought to play 123527 games at once, so I do notice.

22. Октября 2004, 19:59:42
Stevie 
I pay to enjoy the site, not have dictators.
Thats what is happening. Im being dictated to by morons/ awkward buggers etc etc how my games go.

22. Октября 2004, 19:57:32
harley 
Its really hurting you? I really find this hard to understand. I don't even look at games that isn't my turn. They'll move when they're ready, and I have plenty of games to keep me going until they do move. How can it hurt that they take their time moving?

22. Октября 2004, 19:56:47
coan.net 
Steve - you can keep on complaing about an option which is abused by a few, but the truth is that it can help the majority. If we get rid of everything that can be abused by a few, then why even have a game site if people are just going to abuse it? Maybe we should just get rid of BrainKing.com?

22. Октября 2004, 19:54:36
Stevie 
stop the crap BBW.

22. Октября 2004, 19:53:05
coan.net 
It's only hurting you if you let it bother you.

22. Октября 2004, 19:52:20
Stevie 
BBW its hurting us

22. Октября 2004, 19:50:29
coan.net 
grenv - well he is only hurting himself - if you have a choice to lose now or lose later, it is much beter for your ratings to lose now, then to wait until later. (At least that is what I have been told - have not done the math yet) :-)

22. Октября 2004, 19:49:04
ScarletRose 
Субъект: But don't they lose more points
the higher their rating is, when they lose?

22. Октября 2004, 19:47:55
grenv 
I am playing one person who stopped moving in games he is losing. He admitted later that he is trying to move his rating up as high as possible.

This is an example of how these vacations can be abused. In my opinion there are too many as it is.

22. Октября 2004, 19:47:13
Stevie 
no Harley, they are hurting me and others

22. Октября 2004, 19:46:42
Stevie 
I know this, but setting a vacation is at least doing things properly and obviously.
Why should I wait 30 days on a 2 day game, just cos someone hasnt come back for a while? I still say, cos its an emergency thing, there should be a limit of 2 auto extensions at most.

22. Октября 2004, 19:46:03
harley 
Exactly, so they will run out of vacatin days, and they are only hurting themselves really. if they use all their days as emergency auto-vacations, they won't have any left if they actually want to go away for a few days!

22. Октября 2004, 19:43:22
coan.net 
But Stevie - if they did not have the auto vacation set up, they could as easly set the days manually.

It's not like the system adds more vacation days, just uses the ones currently given to all users.

22. Октября 2004, 19:41:09
Stevie 
To avoid these players means you lose out though. You have to pick and choose tournies etc.
I say again...WHAT IS THE USE OF A GAME TIME LIMIT NOW????????
If it is set to auto, then they will just move when they feel like it, not within times. Its just another nail if you ask me

22. Октября 2004, 19:38:38
harley 
I think BBW's example was an extreme circumstance, but it gives the idea of the kind of thing that can happen. Life happens, you might be called away for a couple of days to help with an ill friend or relative. You might have computer problems. Anything may happen. I know of more than a few occasions where people have asked Fencer to add vacation days on somebody's behalf because they are unable to get to the PC. I have asked Fencer to this and I know I'm not the only one. As BBW says, ANY system is open for abuse, and all you can do is avoid these players.

22. Октября 2004, 19:21:19
Stevie 
I mean in those circumstances, who cares if games time out??
Its bad enough waiting for the likes of yourself and kevin amoungst many, who wait till last day to move...just because you can...just for the auto thing to act also. What is tghe use for having game time limits now??? what a crock

22. Октября 2004, 18:31:05
coan.net 
exactly Stevie - and with auto vacations set, it will be a welcome result once things do settle down that when they get back on-line, their games will still be here waiting for them.

22. Октября 2004, 18:23:14
DeaD man WalkiN 
Субъект: Re: Never die
mclaudio, sorry what u r going through with Klokan. I have been saying for over 2 months that this person has been tring to win games by upsetting people so they will resign their games with them. In AMENTTY board we have a boat tourney that has been going for some time. And this person is the only 1 left to play any of the games. But said my peace about them again so off to my corner I go. TYVM for ur time every1.
:o{P

22. Октября 2004, 18:11:20
Stevie 
But then in those circumnstances I would say "to hell with the internet..family is important"

22. Октября 2004, 17:43:22
coan.net 
I like the idea of auto vacations since they can be great when emergencies arrise. Brothers in the hostpital, wife goes into labor, house burns down and takes computer with it, etc.... When things like this comes up, it is nice to not have to think "oh no, I beter got to an internet game site and set vacations".

Of course some users will abuse it, but people also abused the last way also - so I like this new feature.

22. Октября 2004, 17:34:28
grenv 
This auto vacation is a little silly. What are we protecting people from? This is a game site not internet banking. I think it's more important that games be completed than people are saved from timing out. If you can't keep up play fewer games or set up a deliverate vacation.

just my 2c

22. Октября 2004, 17:18:21
Antje 
i, too, have a bunch of games with Klokan and he hasnt timed out.. thats his perogative to use the amount of time alotted. :o)

22. Октября 2004, 17:13:05
Antje 
there are many tournaments for pawns to enter.. but thanks for answering for mclaudio :)

22. Октября 2004, 17:12:16
Antje 
anyone interested in playing Jungle or Nackgammon or Battleboats Plus in the team tournaments.. The Sunshine Club is looking for some players for those teams.. come and sign up!!

22. Октября 2004, 17:03:59
Antje 
which tournament is that mclaudio?

22. Октября 2004, 15:58:16
farmer sam 
Субъект: Re: Never die
Because they probably have one of their vacation days added when a time-out is due. I don't think pawns have this feature.

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