joshi tm: But what to do with timeouts, resignations? Also in triple gammon tournament one might help someone to win by resigning earlier in a lost position, he doesn't lose more this way but he helps the opponent, who might be in direct competition with other player, gaining advantage this way.

I like Triple Gammon, a great new refreshing type of tournament. That gave me another idea for any game that uses highest points to win (like Froglet, Assimilation and Mancala, or even Anti Backgammon):

Round Robin, two standard games per player:
Instead of scoring one point, players score points equal to the outcome of te game. E.g if a Mancala game ends in 30-18, player A scores 30 points to his total and player B scores 18. BKR resolution as normal. If all games are finished, count all points scored in all matches, highest wins.

This way of playing destroys Mancala and Cheversi advantage, since every player is White AND Black against every other player, trying to score as most points as possible.

Family Man: I'm sure you won't be asking Fencer to add 16x16 color Sudoku any time soon, eh?   

nabla: LOL, me too!

I didnt know I was color blind, really. But when I can sometimes barely tell the difference between the yellow and the pink dots, it makes me wonder!

I love your idea.

Maybe its possible to substitute these colors for some other symbols with the use of some outside of Bainking script as well?

For some time I thought I was the only colour-blind person here, but in fact there seems been a consensus on the Logik board for an alternate piece set which is not colour-based.

Numbers or letters written on circles have been suggested. Letters would probably be best, as numbers might get confused with the number of clues or the number of pegs of one colour ("three Bs" is easier to manage than "three 2s").

I like Logik, but with the present colours the game is barely playable for me. I am either destroying my eyes, either right-clicking on all grey and pink pegs, either both.

LionsLair: you get my vote :)

LionsLair: I like that idea too

I don't know if this has ever been asked or suggested before , but I would like to be able to go to the ponds sign-up page and check 3-4 or 6-8 ponds and sign up for them all at once instead of having to do each one individually.
it would save 5-10 minutes and 20-30 pages I would have to see...
it could work something like checking all my messages and deleting them all at once! :o)
any thoughts?

rod03801: ok then, i never bothered to even check , but as you say i think on results would be better

MadMonkey: Well, the BKR's listed at the top of the fellowship pages ARE based on team results.

The BKR's I was concerned about are the ones used for the Site-wide Team Tournaments. When you look at the the Table with all the teams in it, the BKR's there are the average of all team members. (The way it was originally) Fencer introduced the BKR's figured by results, shortly after team vs. team challenges were introduced.

I just want them to match. I don't particularly care which method is used. (Though, I like the BKR based on team play results better)

pauloaguia: aaahh never thought of that, maybe others had theres set like that as well, so they could not see any

I agree it would be nice to see each Team BKR within there Team on the main Fellowship page, and also like i said on a page that contains all won, lost, drawn games etc... like we have in our profiles.

Also, as rod mentioned the BKR's should really be worked out on Team results, NOT individual BKR's added together and a mean taken

When playing a game for a Team Tournament (or challenge match) the game looks exactly the same as any other when we play, apart from obviously the Tournament name. I think that should be at the top of the game page, and the BKR's shown within that game, should be the Team ones, not our own

MadMonkey: Well, I don't see them :)
that's because they're related to the same setting that allows you to remove similar lists from the main page (I don't like them on my main page, if I want to check the rating I can go to my own profile).
That's why I made my third request - that way I could have such lists hidden from my main page but showing on my fellowship. At least that way I'd be able to the my teams BKR somewhere. Though I still think they should be visible in other ways too...

pauloaguia: Really, maybe there was a bug when it was first added then.
I recall when i first mentioned seeing them, other said they could not. Thats good that everyone can see anyway

MadMonkey: I think everyone can see the list at the Fellowship page top, not just BigBosses... at least I think my brother could see it on our fellowship...

pauloaguia: - I think Rod asked about Team BKR and if it could be sorted out as it appears to be just an average BKR of the Team and not a worked out BKR as players ones are.

- If you are a Boss you can, you have a list on the Fellowship page at the top, but i think you know that, it is not anywhere else though

- That would be a good idea, also i think the list should be visible to anyone in a Team of a Fellowship.

Personally i think more should be done for the Teams & Fellowships.
All Team players should get a message when a match/tournament is over so they know how they got on.
It would be nice if we could have a page in there that lists all Teams (games) with games won, drawn, lost, BKR & tournaments won, just like in our profile.
I think we should get a list of things together to ask Fencer for so he can try to work on them when he has time

- When a Team match is over, can the message stating the outcome also have the Team BKR change?
- Can the team BKR be visible on the fellowship page, by the team? If there is already a way, can someone please tell me what it is, since I can't find it?
- Can the setting to display the top BKR teams in the fellowship be independent from the setting to display my to BKR in my main page?

... preety please... ?

Oceans Apart: If there is i have not found it yet lol

I have just created new ones for the Madhouse house, yet had to join each one separately .

Would be nice if we had tick boxes (like when joining more than one in a Tournament) to join or remove ourselves from lots

I am not sure if somebody has asked this before or not, but i will have
to retire from all of my stairs soon and i am in so many, is there a
feature already implimented where i can retire from all of them at a
click of a button instead of going through them all one by one.

Could it be possible to show (like the tournament game, on the go to next game list), on the dropdown game box on a fellowship, which teams is a player captain of? Since most of the fellowships have all kinds of games, it would be easier for a captain to to see its teams, to get them into tournaments, or to challenge another fellowship

Recently, I've been playing some Pah Tum, and have just read BK's discussion board on the game--much of which was devoted to finding ways to diminish the first player's advantage (which seems rather pronounced).  I wonder whether some kind of komi--as in the game of go--might help balance the results.  A value of about 3 or 3.5 ought to do the trick, but I'd like to hear some strong players' opinions as to an appropriate point value or the workability of this idea in general.  I think one of the discussion board participants (coan.net) expressed a similar idea.

nodnarbo: Well it would be nice, but then i guess we would get no surprises

I just think it makes sense to have a board about turn based games (old ,new and ones we invent) as that is what the site is about

MadMonkey: you say Fencer has a list of games to work on, wouldn't it be nice if we knew what they were? I think it would be nice to know what Fencer is planning on adding to the site, that way if something is asked for that person doesn't have to feel like they have to repeat it every once in a while so it is remembered.

joshi tm: I asked for one a few months ago but Fencer said no

He said he did not have time to work on new games and when he did he already had some of his own

I still think the site would benefit by one. Other games do get mentioned all over the place and then lost on boards.

At least if they were mentioned in one place they could be looked at when ever by Fencer or anyone

I would request a "Game Request" Discussion Board page. Sometimes I just read very good ideas for new BK games on other discussion board, but they get buried in there and will be forgotten.

pauloaguia: nice list I have one like that as well, but much longer

I think the one that is most important and has been asked for numerous times since Fellowships started is to have a Mini Boss, who has all the power of the Big Boss accept being able to delete the Fellowship.

Then people could ask to join anytime & not have to wait, be turned into Managers / Captains easier, challenges excepted, Tournaments set etc..... etc....

Would save having to Swap Bosses when someone is on holiday or suddenly vanishes

I was asked to play for a Team the other day, but i can not as i can not be invited to the Fellowship as the owner is now a Pawn and not here, but others in the Fellowship want it to carry on

Fencer: so if I invite someone by email, do I still get Brains if they pay for membership? Or do I only get Brains if they follow the referral link?

A few suggestions for fellowships I've been gathering for a while now:

1. Add more pages to fellowships Right now there's a Main Page and a Waiting Games page. I think the Main Page could well be split up into 4 or 5 different extra pages
   
2. Let BB know what players are blocking fellowhip messages. I know some users don't like to recive messages from the BB because they read the DBs. I know some don't read the DBs and just get the news from the fellowship from the messages the BB sends them. Thing is I keep having to repeat myself at both places because I'm not sure if I'm reaching everybody or not.
   
3. Small and large fellowhip description. Let us have a small and a large text for the fellowship. Large text could appear on main fellowship page only, and members could have the option to hide it they wish. Some fellowhips have huge descriptions that you need to scroll down every time to get to where the interesting information is...
   
4. Improve Team naviagtion. Right now, if I want to get out of 10 teams I have a hard task ahead of me: select team on combobox, click button, scroll down, click leave team, scroll down, select team on combobox, etc. If I want to get out of most of them, or need to remove someone from all, it's a nightmare. Can there be a page with all teams from the fellowship where a player can simply (un)check the teams (s)he belongs to?
   </ol>
   I think that's enough for now. I'll save the rest for later...
   
   I like having fellowhips on this site and the possibilities associated with them. I think it could be even better if they were more user friendly
   

gborland: No, it should not. You must place the referral link to your own pages elsewhere. It has nothing to do with emails.

When I invite someone to play a game by giving their email address, the invitation email does not give my referral URL.

It should contain:

http://brainking.com?refuid=14825

but the email just has the basic URL:

http://www.brainking.com/

I did mention this a while ago, but it may have got lost on your To-Do list Fencer

When playing certain game like Dark Chess & Logik, a lot of us use the Move and Stay Here option to see the outcome of our last move.

It is great having the 'Play the next game of ********' option still on the screen so we can carry on after.

But that is only there IF there is another game of that type to play NOT if that game is over on the last move or there are no more games of that type to play

So my request is:

That we replace it with our Drop Box option so we can choose to go where ever (Next Game, Main Page, Game of Simular Type etc, etc...).....

Most Useful i would say

I sometimes play my games in a block, ie all the Ludo games then Backgammon games, would it be possible to have a games count of the type of game being played at the time ie 12 / 18... 12 games left to play out of a total of 18

Vikings: I would like an option to send a message to all of the moderators in my fellowship.

Eriisa: duh, I guess I read that wrong

Vikings: That wouldn't help for her Fellowship Moderators, they may not be a public board mod.

Cheri: send the message to tazman and he can forward it to all the members of the mod squad

I would like an option to send a message to all fellowship moderators.

coan.net: No, you're not special
It's a bug that's been around forever, I guess: http://brainking.com/pt/ReadBug?bgi=463

coan.net: LOL, I dont get any email either!

Eriisa: strange.... I don't have that marked either, but I get them...... Maybe I'm just special... but I don't want to be - I already get enough spam, don't need to know about BK when I'm not signed on....

coan.net: yes, email is correct, but I don't have it to send emails "if the opponent makes a move and I am not online"

coan.net: I dont get emails either , but i took the tick out so i wouldnt recieve them, dont think that will work the the bug tracker thing though

Eriisa: It does for me - that is whenever there is a reply to one of my bugs, or if I reply to another bug (and others reply to a thread I replied in) - I get an e-mail message about the bug being updated.

... which of course when I read e-mail, I'm not on BrainKing and don't care about it - so would be much better if those messages were sent to the BK Message Box.

You don't get any e-mails? Is your e-mail address in your profile correct?

coan.net: the bug tracker emails updates????

First request: Would like an option to turn off the e-mail notification when the bug tracker is updated. I don't like getting e-mail's when it is my turn, nor do I need e-mails when the bug tracker is updated.

Second request: What would be helpful is a private PM when the bug tracker is updated with a bug that I have submitted or commented in.

oh and woohoo! tippyc!

I sent you an invite to the Zoo Fellowship. Lots of fun in there.

MadMonkey: I seached high & low, but I couldn't find confirmation of that on snoops.com

srnity: oh yes, any tourny that i like

Welcome to membership land tippyc

(p.s. nice guy that chimp lol)

tippyc: Woo - Hoo ... Mad Monkey is the man Would you like a Tourney to celebrate the Bishop? Let me know

Oceans Apart: no need for that anymore. madmonkey just made me a bishop. thanks madmonkey!!

tippyc: I think, but not sure, send Fencer a pm and he might be able to remove you from the tourney, so you can enter another one, but i stand to be corrected though.