Most of all i'm sorry i brought the whole subject up in the public boards. Allthough i didn't mention any names. I've said more than enough so i won't say more. He seems like a reasonable guy although we don't agree on everything :)

But there seems to be one more mistunderstanding. Everyone says kitty and she. You guys should learn Finnish to understand that kitti does not sound feminine at all :) Or maybe i should change the name :)

harley

This was ORIGINALLY discussed in private between me & the person concerned..but to my disgust, I saw it spread openly on here...So I have a right to stick up for myself & the dignified spiderline4 players who cant get games...My fellow players, Badman & pja, back my statement, to which Im very grateful for..BUT I now dont need to come here & find some guy disrespecting me in OPEN..Im a very respectful person & will go out of my way to make people feel happy around me, BUT I will not tollerate public slander against me as a person, or the against the dignified name of spiderline4

Can we leave it there guys? Or do it privately? Cheers :o)

Besides, Kitti & I have appologised to eachother for the misunderstanding, she's a nice person..so theres no need to 'stir' anything up Dim

Dmitri

Its nice to get your facts sorted out in order BEFORE you have a go at somebody you dont even know!

I offered a single game because some people dont want to play two games for some reason or another, which I have come across before. I OFFERED a 2 game MATCH also with the OFFER to delete the single game...How nice can I be actually be to someone?

I refused to play her on black as a SINGLE game due to the fact I can play black in a match! As pja and Badman said, I have lots to lose on a black game even if we draw the match I OFFERED INSTEAD! she would lose nothing! SO what do I do eh?? you tell me?? do I play her on a single black to which I have nothing to prove as Ive beaten many -2000 with my black, BUT RISK losing a lot of points in which Ive fought so HARD for in numerous awesome matches against the best players ever to play this game, such as Badman, PJA, and Slayer??

Or do I not invite anyone at all because of me FEARING slander of 'grabbing'...I will tell you something mate...If it wasnt for payers like Badman, Slayer, PJA & a few others, then I would have NEVER joined this site, which means you moaning lot would have SLOWER games due to lack of funding through less memberships!

And BELIEVE me..Spiderline4 is huge on IYT, with many awesome players & competions...more & more are slowly coming here, which is great...But if us top 5 players cannot get a game apart from eachother, then what do we do???

Oh by the way Dmitri...wouldnt a simple DECLINE button have solved something that would have never evolved..its that simple..play or dont play...I'll still enjoy my life the same with BK or no BK :)

MadMonkey: i just joined the tournament youre talking about. I'm playing too many games already but, what's one more tourney going to hurt.. I used to say whats one more game going to hurt when i had a few games less going on :)

MadMonkey: Maybe because most of players play tournaments at iyt. I feel that the tournament system here is bit disordered, or at least for me because I have got acquainted with the system at iyt.

kitti.. you are actually apologing here? I am appalled. If what you say is true, you owe no apology. Any opponent who does and says what you are claiming your opponent did, is a FRAUD. Anyone who claims to be one of the best players at anything would NEVER try to take the huge advantage of playing only as player 1 in a game where player 1 has a huge advanatge!

If he is such a big player, he should not fear playing you or anyone lese for that matter. Only a fraud is nervous about playing as player 2.

Spiderman, what you said in your defense does not add up. If you do not wish to play individual games, but only two game matches, why did YOU send out the invite to theo ther player? Do you think you are doing the "lesser" players a favor by playing them only with the upper hand?

This is nonsense, and it reflects poorly on you as a supposed top player. I have never delcined an invite, because I know that players of all levels like to play aginst the top players. As the top player in 4 games, I want to be fair and give others a chance to gain the top spots. But if I did not want to play for some reason, I would tell the person I am not playing any games right now. I would never tell the person I would play only as player 1, that is most unfair.

Spiderman, you said you are NOT opint grabbing or protecting your rating, yet you told Kitty you would not play her as player 2 because you did not want to risk losing points!

But hwat you said that most disgusts me is this:

"I think people should just chill out more & stop getting paranoid by thinking there being persecuted...If they want to play then fine, if they dont want to play, the fine again! Its only a game & theres alot more serious things in life than this."

WHAT A PILE OPF GARBAGE! Make up your mind! If you are overly concerned about losing some opints to Kitty, then you obviously do not believe what you said there.

I can't either understand this fuss about 'easy point grabbers'. There aren't that many (talking about spiderline) players in this site and some of the top players are already playing continuously against others. I really can't see any good reason for 2000+ players to decline invitivations from let's say top 5 players. I mean in the sense of protecting their ratings, of course if they just don't want to play it's always possible to decline the invitation. The bigger rist for losing ratings is always in the player with higher rating. And the only way to get better is to play against better players and learn from these games.

I would say that current top 3 players in spiderline are all truly great players not some rating grabbers. Look at their games and you can see that play against any kind of players and usually 2-game matches. All these other small-minded rating fanatics could learn something from them. After all it's only a game and ought to be fun for everyone.

Rgds,
Pekka

LOL - fancy finding you 2 talking about spider line 4 :-)
There is a tournament in the Madhouse at the moment of which you are both members, only 2 people have signed up for it (both with 2000+ ratings) & me lol but niether of you have. I realise SPIDERMAN has exams so could be a problem, but i still fail to see why no one else is play with such high ratings, worried about losing maybe LOL

SPIDERMAN, I know you are one of the best spider players here. I have looked at your profile and know you have played a lot 2 game matches against the top players. I'm not trying to put you down.

However sending an invite to me and then declining mine with the colors switched really does look like protecting the rating to me! If you were not thinking about ratings why would you refuse to play black against me? You prolly would have won anyways.

I'm sorry if i offended you and i hope we don't have to hold a grudge. I'm not very good at that :)

I'm not sure what the big deal is about playing a much higher ranked player. First of all, there is a decline key. This entire thing could have been avoided had the invite just been declined. I see no reason that someone would get upset. If you don't think it is fair, decline it and move on. Secondly, regardless of the game, I would jump at the opportunity to play a higher ranked player. The points I lost would be minimal, if any at all depending on the ranking difference and I might actually learn something by playing a higher ranked player.

About ratings etc...I'd like to put forward a sensible point across.

I find it very hard on this site to play a good competitive spiderline 4 game as the strength & depth isnt as good as IYT, but I realise this site is relatively new but its progressing well with some good IYT players coming here..this is great news for the site as a whole!

Because I like to play spiderline4, & take a look at my profile as I aint got many games going, I only really like playing over 2000 ranked players in a 2 game MATCH & there arnt many on here...this makes sense for BOTH parties involved...but when I invite a 2000+ player to a game, WITH the opportunity to cancel it & start a 'fairer' match up instead, I dont expect to get a message back from this 'particular' person saying that Im an 'easy point grabber' & Im 'protecting' my ratings! lmao!!

I would like this person to take a good look at my spiederline4 games & see that the majority of my matches are against the VERY best players on here...If I was 'easy point grabbing' or 'protecting' my rankings, then SURELY I would AVOID these top players! BUT NO IM NOT AVOIDING them coz they are the kind of good competitve matches that keep me playing this excellent stratergy game on THIS site!

I think people should just chill out more & stop getting paranoid by thinking there being persecuted...If they want to play then fine, if they dont want to play, the fine again! Its only a game & theres alot more serious things in life than this.


Oh I havnt metioned who his person is, but I srongly agree with them that there should be different ranking points for black games, as its harder to win on black.

Take care readers, & have fun'

Matt :)

Harley, thats exacly what i did.

But that doesn't solve the real issue: one can manipulate the ratings by choosing who you play against and which color you use.

I also think that autorefresh is pretty much useless and should be disabled atleast until the server issues are solved. I've turned mine off ages ago. I usually keep brainking in one browser window even if i'm browsing other sites or doing something else on the computer. I'm sure i'm not the only one who does this. If i had auto refresh on i'd be generating lots of unneeded requests to the server. I bet many don't even know about the auto refresh and are stressing the server needlessly.

Kitti, you could still cancel the game if you have not made many moves. You wouldn't lose any ratings points at all.

kitti: I agree, i am not the best spider play in the world as you know - why dont people who invite others make it best of 2 games - black & white :)

People who decline invitations because their rating might drop if they lose bug me. I just got an invite to play spider line4 with me playing black. In this game white has a huge advantage. I accepted the invition and sent him invite for another game with me playing white to even things out. But he declined the invite saying that he doesn't want to risk losing many points (he has much higher rating than me) by playing black against me!

I really can't understand such behavior. Are the ratings really more important than fair play to some people? Maybe there should be different ratings for black and white in each game.

vikings, if you are surfing the site and clikcing on different pages, the auto refresh serves no purpose. I am not sure you understand what it does. The auto refresh refreshes the page when you are idle, doing nothing at all. So it does not apply to the situation you described.

I try to look at both sides of it, but must say i dont really see any need for it at all.
Is there any real difference between that & hitting the F5 key on a PC (None).
Going back to earlier when myself & tonyh were talking about it, if 120 people are on line & only 40 are playing games, BUT the other 80 have there refresh set at 10 seconds - surely this is just putting the server under pressure that isnt needed, as little as it may be.
I think that if a person does not make a move or do something on the site after a certain time either there auto-refresh could be disabled OR maybe they should just be logged off & have t log back on again.
Just a few thoughts :-)

to be honest if fencer thought it would help the site i would have thought he would have temporaroly disabled that feature , maybe fencer could give us his opinion

I think its wise if people knew they could turn it off (Under Settings - general) that they do that. I wonder if we all turned it off for a week if there would be a difference in performance? Can't hurt to try it.. I turned mine off just now

When I was new to the site, I found it very usefull when I was surfing the site, reading boards etc. After about a month I turned it off to help the server, I really liked it as a new member.

I don't mean to be a pain, but in what way is the auto refresh useful? I can't think of any uses for it.

there was only 22 people online when i couldnt log in (for over 2 hours again) so i doubt taking away auto refresh will make the slightist bit of difference (i disabled my auto refresh months ago)

I disagree! I find 'auto refresh' very handy at times, and would hate to see it taken off the site. Admittedly, there are those who will abuse or take it to excess, but this does not validate the negation of it for everybody.

This has to go. what is the point iof having auto refresh? If it slows down the server AT ALL, GTE RID OF IT! IT is NOT neeeded! I have heard only one person give a reaosn for having it, and it was a TERRILBE one. The reason was "I can sit on the couhc and watch TV and not have to gte up to see if it is my turn."

A statement of such extreme laziness should come as no surprise in a nation where 50% or more of the people are overweight and 20% are obese.

BUt it is hardly a reason for hacing auto refresh and I tihnk it is time to get rid of it.

Yep, it would slow it down. But definately not as much as a player actively playing. It might even be good enough to turn auto-refresh off by default, and players can turn it on if they want to.

I will ask a friend Kevin.
So maybe if someone was to leave there pc logged in & not do anything but refresh every minute or whenever it will slow down the server - maybe an auto-logout is not such a bad idea then ???

Yes, those are requests too :-)

Although, the listing as "Brain Rook" might just be because we're rooks (so it says rook for everyone). Has a pawn or knight checked other levels to see if it does that too?

I never noticed that with Knights as well, thats quite funny :-)

Does auto refresh count as a request being sent then, if you have 100 people just letting the screens refresh every minute that must have an effect - maybe not.......

And Knights too :-)

By the way, like has sort of been mentioned, it really has nothing to do with how many people are logged on. It is completely dependent on how active they are at the time, aka how many requests are being sent.

I must bit get even more Crazy than i am, if you look at a pawn profile - it has Brain Rook beside there name - one way to get more Rooks i guess LOL

I know who they remind me of, surfers lying on their boards off Fistral Bay, Newquay, waiting for the next big wave. And then they stay on it for 5 seconds!!

I agree tony, there are alot of people just sitting there (people at work maybe lol) I wonder if some sort of Auto-Logout may stop people from just hanging here :-)

It's just occurred to me; perhaps the guys 'browsing' are waiting for a game to turn up!! Wow! How much capacity do they take, just waiting, like basking sharks.

MM - perhaps the 120 guys weren't doing too much (a lot of them appear just to browse the Main Page!!). We are at 115 now and it's creaking.

tonyh: I have come to a conclusion that the site activity error message doesnt seem to make sence lol.
I was here yesterday with over 120 people on line & the game were flying by, BUT other times yesterday there were only been between 50 & 60 & still got that message - odd eh :)

Fencer; is the Site activity increasing, decreasing or staying much the same? Also, are there times of the day when it is much less used?

Thanks Jason for asking this question. It`s something that i was thinking about.!
With myself just being able to "Work" a PC, let have any knowledge of coding i have no idea if it`s at all feasible but i would hazzard a guess that it would involve re-coding the entire programming software.!
I would be interested to know from players with a background in programming what it would indeed require.:)

I don't usually post on these boards. For the reason of offending someone or stepping out of place. But I have to now. Can't we all just play? Not worry about who's paying for what or how? Or what fencer is doing? Or what being a pawn or knight or anything else is? There are lots of other things that could be and are worse. Like if this site wasn't here at all..maybe we should just appreciate that it is. I think everyone should just throw your arms up in the air..smile..say I'm alive!! If we all work together and just play the games and have fun then the site will be what fencer wanted!

fencer i dont know if its at all possible but is there a way that people with a powerfull connection and a good system could help boost the sites performance when the site is struggling at say peak times ,i dont know if this is even a possible thing just an idea im sure there would be people willing to help out if it was possible

also posted on feature requests

Danoschek, agree with all you say, except perhaps Russia!! They had vast wealth in the early part of last century and squandered it. they also had the best chess players in the world, until Bobby came along.

to speak to you on my behalf.
Im capable of speaking for my self.
Below is the message I sent and her answer...subject closed

Thank you for your apology.


You are reading a reply to this message:
please accept my deepest apologies....I misunderstood what you were saying....Please forgive me :(

Well Bernice you got one one of your friends last night to talk me into accepting your apology labelled OOPS. On reflection I don't owe you or anybody else an explanation of my situation or the sacrifices I make in order to have a computer or to pay for the internet. Congratulations you have sucked all the fun for me out of this site. Goodbye to all my friends and fellow players.

A lot of suggestions, stirred and shaken brings me to one nightly-build yet ... :D

Pawns could have a one-month trial time as it is now.
Then a moves-restriction to (let's say) 40 pd would become effective.

During that month also visiting one fellowship could be possible.
That way all the features are easily to be prospected before deciding.

:D a veteran-pawn who just wants to make one quick chess game
would get along as well as everybody just spending an hour average here ...

the 20-games-restrictions should be handled tolerantly
in cases of someone qualifying for an additional round or, final ...

a thought I have had for long is to decrease the monthly fee
for Africa, India and perhaps even Russia aware of the clearly
lower income there ... Increasing the price for North-America,
the European Union and, Australia to let's say 18$
per semester would be tolerable then imho ... ~*~

what the heck started this nonsense? Bernice, I am not sure hwat it is that Jason did that bothered you so much. Your reaction was somewhat childish. Jason-- I am not sure hwy you are so bent out of shape about the tehc info page. I found it quite interesting and informative. It is there to provide information. If you don't care about the technical aspects of the site and its probklems, I understand, but why are you so annoyed that the info is there fior those who want it?

Pioneer54-- I agree with you on all points. Multiple panw IDs should not be allowed from the same IP address. If there really are tow different pawns using the same computer, oh well.

I am sure I will sound like a broken record, but one of them can buy a membership to solve that problem.

thanks for the moderate tune ...

harrassing of the bernice-type should not be granted to come up here. ~*~

Clearly, two PAYING MEMBERS who use the same computer (and therefore submit the same IP address) do not fall into the category of pawns (who, of course, do NOT pay) with multiple accounts.

A policy of one pawn account per IP address would be appropriate and weed out those who are breaking the rules. And yes, a few users who happen to share a computer due to same household or friendship would be alienated, although I suspect they are outnumbered by the cheats.

I appreciate that the tournaments are largely unfettered because of the "one per pawn at a time" rule, and perhaps Fencer is content to let it go at that. So be it, but as for casual games, the 20-game limit (or ANY limit) is virtually meaningless as long as any user may create more than one account.

Everyone: I am somewhat new to this site. I think it is the coolest and most oppurtunistic on the web! I realize that Fencer is doing his best to keep this site up to speed and I appreciate that very much. Thank you Fencer. About not being able to get on, I am a pawn myself and there have been times where I ran into a "technical problem" and couldn't get through. My feeling is that most pawns, when confronted with a problem such as this, will leave and find another site. I have stayed because I know people like Fencer are trying and as a pawn, I am an equal. MadMonkey is right, limiting moves increases accounts and slows even more. It will get better, just give it time.

Appreciative Pawn,

-cm5127