LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING... IF THIS SIGHT WAS NOT DOWN AT ONE TIME HE WOULD OF LOST THAT GAME BECUASE HE TIMED OUT... THE ONLY REASON THET GAME IS STILL GOING IS BECUASE FENCER HAD THE TIMER SHUT OFF

your right,ugh! not to mention,if you have 7 to 30 day tourny's mixed in with 2 and 3 day tourny's..the short tourny's keep you busy..and until the longer limit ones slowly time down...do you have a chance to play them....that is of course taking into consideration you have other things to do in your life:)

I got nothing more to say, there will always be two sides to this and some people dont like it and others like you dont mind

Yes I'm here to have fun too, I'm sorry I just never thought it would take 2 years to play one game.

If people have problems with the way I play games, I'll be happy to explain my situation to everyone. Unlike what IMupChucKing says, I do not start every tournament I see - I have actually started very few tournaments lately because of the number of games I have.

But since there are a couple who seem to be worried about my game playing, I will try to explain to you. I use to have very fast internet connection every day which allowed me to have many games. When I found out I was not going to have fast internet connection anymore, I played many games and got my games down to around 150 or so. Then I lost my fast connection, and then the site crashed and brought back my 350+ games. So now I'm stuck with have a couple of window open - I make a move in one window and while I wait for that to "process", in the other window I check out the message boards. And as a side note, I now have fast internet access about once a week - but for the past 2 times I did was the exact times this site was down.

Sorry that this bothers some people - When people ask nicely, I have always tried to hurry and play their games. It is not a situation that I like being in, I wish I had the time and connection to play the games I use to be able to, but I don't. Sorry

A time limit is a time limit ,ughaibu you are right,but a little bit I have to agree with IMchucKing.
It is annoying if the tournement doesn`t go on. It has to do with the fact of unlimited games, some players have 500 and more!
Additionally I think timecontrols with more than 7 days per move should removed and are not necessary, because the games take a too long time.
And additionally I suggest a timeframe for the whole tournement ,six or nine months for instance, after which the tournement creator can estimate the unfinished games and close the tournementor or can start the next round.

Now I agree with you 100 % ughaibu

A suggestion could be to have a different type of games - a "super fast" game where the time limit is the "true" time limit with no weekends or vacations.

If I set a tourny at 1 day, not many will join because of if there are problems. So I set a little longer so as to allow for this and get more to join.
A speed limit of 50mph does not mean you have to go at 50 mph, it means anywhere from 0 - 50 mph, I think the problem we are getting at is the players who constantly go at 49.8 mph just because they can. you can watch them on here doing it no matter what anyone says about they are aloud to.
I agree they can if they want, but I dont mind it on the odd ocasions, but not every move. Most of us move sensibly, but these players ruin it for us. I often end up with the first god knows how many "other player move" games all as a few players. When players say its because too many games on their list ( i understand the crash caused probs), I have said before if you cant moved all your "your move" games once in one day ( added 1 hr later so I am not misunderstood a day when they are online, not every day), then you have more than you can handle and should cut down. You have no one to blame except yourself, So dont hold everyone else up.
Lecture over LOL

But it is a fact, that we have the problems mostly with people who have hundreds of games at the same time. And it is not the theme to move always one move in one day, but continuously in the regular time frame and not every move at the end of the time limit. But the suggestion to play without weekend days seems to be an improvement.

I have three more places to fill in my prize checker tournament. Message me if you fancy playing.

Here's the bottom line. If you don't like the time limit in a game or tourney, don't join it. This is not a real time game site. It is turned based for a reason. If you want a real time site, might I suggest Yahoo or MSN. I'm in a 30 per turn tournament that has been running for over a year and it's not done yet. Do you hear my whinning about it??? No because I knew it could take that long when I signed up.

If we would speak about real-time we would speak about timelimits with 2,5,10 or 30 minutes for the whole game.
And to say " Don`t join the tourney" is not the solution.

Is that what you call 'fun"?

Not moving until the last possible time, and being the slowest player in every tournament?

The shortest time we can have a game is one day.

Assuming each player moved only at the last minute, include weekends and a two week vacation for each player.

The maximum amount of days for one game could be unlimited. Even a game with a finite amount of moves, like Battle Boats, or Reversi for example. Reversi takes about 30 moves or so. (for estimate purposes) At 1 turn per day per person = 60 days. Plus 28 total days for vacation. Plus another 8 days for weekends, that may even be a low number. Thats 96 days per game. That is 96 days for a game with a maximum of 30 moves per player.

Is this what you consider fun Ug?

what I have shown is for a one day tourney, for one game only, and only in the first round. If you have a tournament with 90 players, like the Backgammon tourney I first mentioned. That is like 13 or so groups in round one... My point is that even the minimum one day time limit could have matches that last years.

So your pint Ug, aout not joining a tournament if we don't like the time limit, makes no sense. 99% of the players here would join zero tournaments if they were told to expect every game to last 3 months, and to be happy if it was less.

Plus, again, No one wants to play a one day tournament either, since the possibility to time out, due to computer error, or some other UNFORESEEN problem which may occure. So you try a four day tournament, and now you have a 9 month per game scenerio!!!!!!

Where do you draw the line?

Excuses are like assholes, everbody has one.
Get past the excusses, and do us all a favor, have some respect for yourself, and put a limit on your games, or stay oput of tournaments or whatever you have to do.If you consider being the last player to finish every game, and holding up the fun and enjoyment for others, and being the behind the back ridicule of other players, fun, then you need to get of this game site, and into some therapy immediatly ;)~

As far as staying out of these games... How does one know?????
If there are 90 players, it only takes one "loser" to mess it up for everybody else.

Sorry to go on so... but there has to be a solution besides, live with it, get over it and shut up.

This is a case where the "rights" of a few ruin it at the expense of the majority.

You go IMupChucKing Your # 1

Thanks for the advise, I just set one up tonight and I will not have to kick no one out becuase if they dont move in two days they will time out unless is on a weekend

thx. so much, my grandkids will get a kick out of that. LOL..i do appreciate it.

Are you calling me a "loser" IMCK?

I will not give a reason for moving at a speed which suits me, I just do ... W:)

"""If there are 90 players, it only takes one "loser" to mess it up for everybody else. """
that is an insult...calling someone a "loser"...even if this is a game site :)

you cant be a "loser" you have came "2nd"

WhisperzQ LOLOL....you are a came "2nd'er" hehehe
please see the joke of this, i dont need another nasty attack :)

I see it as a joke Bernice LOL

I am against the slow play but will stand up for Ugh because I know he is also a fast player also. The problems arise with those that are like it permanently

Vir has won the Five in a line section of the Brotherly Love (Beginners) - All games tournament. Congratulations again, and good luck to those still in progress! :)

Oye vey. "and being the behind the back ridicule of other players" .. seems to me that says more about you than it does me.

Get a grip folks. If you've nothing to do with your time other than play games, then get a life. You don't like to wait, play more games so you won't notice. Or, as was suggested, try a real-time game site.

Don't whine for the removal of limits that don't suit -you-, just don't join those games/tournaments. Control your own games, don't try to control everyone else's.

Okay, should I add a feature for the tournament director to finish slow games when necessary?

As a "two-phase commit" [database term], of course. Such action would have to be confirmed by me.

I think it would be a good idea Fencer, preferably used when a game is obvious who will win.
It gives more control, considering its the tournament creators right to control as they would like it to be. I would suggest though, that if finished like that, the game should not affect bkr's otherwise it could cause problems with players etc and could be used as a cheat etc.

I personally would only look into it if asked by one of the players like you say Ughaibu, or a majority vote of the other players in the tourny (including the game players).

Just like fellowships can be run how the big boss wants, surely a tournament can be run how the creater wants, thus they can do something as long as they have said it in the tournament description BEFORE hand and looks into it properly and doesnt just dive in like bull in china shop.

Also, learning can be done outside of tournaments

You would get more complaints if pawns could post, and there are many members who wont post too. For now, I will be removing slow players before the tournys start, its not malicious etc , just trying to make the tournaments happier for all, if the slow players dont like it, its my tournaments :o)

Hey Ughaibu, you noticed the tournaments board is a more polite debate board LOL

I have to agree with ughaibu. I'd be very careful which tournaments I joined if I thought the creator might award the game to my opponent if I took too long or someone complained. And it would create extra work for Fencer having to check out every game that a creator wanted to finish.

For me the answer it quite simple, if you have a problem with a tournament, contact the creator, tell them which game, and what the problem is.
If the creator sees that the game is hopelessly lost by one player, and it is severely holding up the tournament, send a message politely asking that person to resign. Any reasonable person wouldnt mind at all. I've been asked to resign games, and have done so. And I have also been in a position where I asked someone to resign (so a pawn could advance to the next round).
With manners and a bit of consideration, tournaments do not need to be such a headache.

I was pointing out no insults thrown on here for a while Ughaibu LOL

The asking to resign business is fine Harley, but I have come across at least one of these "slow" players that wont even acknowledge a pm from you or a gl or gg etc, let alone resign if requested to :o(

One way to speed up the tournaments would be to end the sections when the winner is decided even if there is some games still going on. Of course the slow games would still continue, only the section winners would be announced when it is mathematically certain.

Option to end slow games doesn't sound very good to me. If moves are made within the timelimit there isn't anything to complain about.

I would like to see that start happening in tournaments too Kitti :o)

I, too, like Kitti's idea that a tournament creator can declare a section when the result is definitely known. This idea should be posted on the requests board, I will do it next.

As to the determination of a game, I am generally against it. There are situations where it is not easy to make a decision and with the wide differences of abilities on this site, a good player maybe behind (somehow) but may still win with good endgame play. And this would put more pressure on Fencer but that could be solved by the appointment of panel of trusted good players ... of course, we might then have a great debate on who should (or shouldn't) be on it!!!

Revenge is sweet, the worst player on this site for what we just talked about, has just timed out in 2 tourny games with me for the first time. Must have left it a little to long LMAO Be nice if it happened with the other 10's or so that they have with me LOL

Best bit is that they are online LOL

Whisperz...
I was not speaking about you at all.

I think that people who purposly play games and tournaments which they know in advance they will take three months or more to finish a game, and only play turns when their time limit is up, are losers.

Thats my opinion.

If the shoe fits....

Good suggestion LongJohn, although I would prefer at 1) : x moves in y days ,for instance 10 moves/ 20 days each.
And what happens with the unfinished games at 2. ? Estimation and start the next round?

If anyone out there keeps a list of these "slow" players, please private message me with those names so I can avoid playing games and in tournaments with those people.
Thanks.

Long John..... I like your idea about total or overall time limits in conjunction with a days per move limit.

For those who worry about losing bkr if they are arbitrarily removed from a game for slow play.... take the advice Ug has given to me, and only play games or tournaments which are not rated.

It is not complicated but standard in correspondece chess since a long time (ICCF-Rules).
And it`s more variable too.