Can someone explain in plain english how this works? It does not have anything to do with a persons BK rating, rather, how many wins they have in a particular section? Thanks for any help )

I put the upper limit at 141, so I doubt if it becomes a concern for my tournaments.
After your tournament started, did the machine pare it down to 12 players, or'd it continue on with the extra players?

There's a link to the S-B thingy somewhere on this site. It's not a clear forward explanation, but it does point you in the right direction.
What it does is count up all the points that your opponents scored in the games they played if you beat them yourself. If you lose to an opponent, you'll get no S-B points from him. Let's say you beat him, though. You get an S-B point for each win the he gets. I just won a tournament even though I didn't have the most S-B points. In the tournament we were playing two games each. Andreas beat me in both games, but I won every other game in the tournament. Seven of us were in the tournament. So I was 10 wins and 2 losses. Andreas scored 20 S-B points off of me. He lost three games and finished 9 wins and 3 losses. MenisfromVenis was 9 and 3 also. The S-B thingy gave Andreas second place, as he had the most S-B points between them. I had 46, Andreas 47, and Menis 37. So it seems to me the S-B thingy is flawed too, but I suppose it's better than leaving things tied unless the S-B is also tied, then I suppose you drop back and punt it as far as you can! :)

You can go to any finished tournament and count the points. Take one of the players that came in last or second to last. They're easier to count than the winners. If a player only won one game, he'll have the S-B points of the number of wins of the person that he beat. I did this a couple of times, and now I mostly understand the S-B thingy even though I'm not much of a fan of it. Since it's unfair to not use it and it's unfair to use it, I suppose a decision has to be made about using it or not. I know one way to break a tie is to make the winner between two players have the lead. Had Andreas only lost two games, I would've be OK with him being the tournament champion since he took all of our games. If we had split our games or if I had taken them both and it made him the champion, I would be very displeased about it.

Thanks Wally....

http://www.brainking.com/game/Help?ht=8

Here's what is says if you go there:
What does "S-B" column at tournament tables mean?
S-B is an abbreviation for Sonneborn-Berger system. It is used to specify an order of players with the same number of points and is based on a theory that points earned with a stronger opponent are more valuable than with a weaker one. The S-B value is a total sum of points of opponents who lost the tournament game with the player and half points of opponents who drawn the tournament game with the player. Only if two or more players have the same number of "normal" and S-B points, they share the same final order.

I know... I read that first, but it was confusing.... What makes an opponent 'weaker' the fact that they lost a game, or who they lose it to? It seems that if I am a low ranked player, and you beat me, its no big deal, if I beat you it is a big deal, but that isbn't taken into account. It is simply how many wins in that section, regardless of whether those wins are against a strong opponent or weak one. I guess it doesnt matter if I understand it or not, it all comes out in the wash, and at least it is a consistant way to choose a winner, and over time should be fair, at least.

Walter : The tournament allowed the extra players to remain. Therefore, I do not understand the intention of having the maximum number of players option. I had designated 12 so that the tournament would be limited to 3 sections of 4 players and could begin as soon as it was filled.

Those will be a great addition to this site.

Have user be able to create their own tournaments is great, and always give users a great oppertunity to play almost any type of tournament with many different time limits, user limites, BKR limits, etc....

But I believe with "Official" BK tournament, we will get some great tournaments since I think you will get more players to join those. And the possibility to get a "gold cup" after a tournament win is cool. Do you get a "gold cup" after each tournament win - some players could start earning a lot of gold cups!

i think that site run tourns. will be great, and so will the gold cups.

its my mistak? or this was the first tourn..

[http://www.brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=1&tri=1#8]

First Official BK Tournament - Yup, that was the one Fencer created back in late 2002/early 2003!

It also shows how few games we had back then also. Plus it also show you how long Reversi 10x10 & Chess tournaments can last! (Both still going!!!)

OOoh.. I like that idea, Fencer! :)

yup agreed here altho I wouldnt get too many cups but then ...???

Fencers 1st official BK tournament should be a lesson to others????

To be still going after 12 months or more is a little bitsilly in MY mind...Im thinking of Lindas 100 @ $5...how long with holidays is this going to take to run....I noticed that Fencer only had 85 in his chess (the only one i lookedat)
and it hasnt even finished the first round :(
So for the moneymaking ones....Fencer might get his cash by the year 2010? (slight exageration)

Backgammon doesn't nearly take as long as chess does.
Also all money will be collected before the tournament begins. ;•)

ah ha....thats a good thought Linda :)...thanks for clarifying that....it wasnt a nice vision LO,,,/by 2010..your $450 would be worth $4.50...not really but you know what i mean....

<LOL .. I've always found that my chess games are over much sooner than backgammon ones. :>

In the Fund raiser tourney each section will have it's own winner too. So that ought to make it interesting too.
The debate club backgammon tourney had over 100 in it and it's moving along ok.

We need at least 4 more people for this tournament to make 100. If we get 100 people the tourney will be divided into 20 sections. Each section will have a winner of 6 months brain knight membership.
That's 20 new members for the site. Plus the $50 overall prize.
You can enter this tournament HERE

LindaJ tourney?
all the prizes...
advertised $50 winner.....$450 Fencer
Who is paying for the "every section winner wins a prize"
20 new members = 5 sections = overall = Big-one :)
Brain Kinght costs (cant think) but maybe $18 x 20 = $360....plus final winner = $50...overall that is $410....does Fencer get only $90..

what i really want to know.....who is paying the 20 new memberships? does the $450 got to Fencer as originally planned?

No Bernice. Fencer gets $450 or whatever the total is - the $50 prize money.
Fencer generously donated the knight memberships.

another query linda . some sections could have tied winners (possibly a few sections will get this happening) what will happen then ...who gets to promote a pawn one of them or both of them or half each lol.

Good question Jason I know it does happen.
Fencer will have to answer that one. ;•)

All section winners will be promoted, of course.

Has it been decided how the $5 is being collected?

What about people who may want to put more than $5 up? I was thinking it might be interesting that if people wanted to do that, that maybe half of whatever they put up extra goes to the prize, and the other half to Fencer.. So if 10 people put up $10 instead, Fencer would get an extra 25, and the prize could go up 25?
Just a thought.. It's verrrry late and I think I'm half asleep..
:-)

Hmmmmm

It has been decided how the money will be collected and will be very soon.
Of course anyone who wanted to donate anything above the entry fee would be more then welcome to.
You can also pay for someone else to play in the tournament if you'd like.
I don't know about a larger prize though.
Guess we will have to wait to see what is collected. That could get a little confusing and it is a fund raiser. ;•)

was only a suggestion of a way to possibly raise more..
:-)

LongJohn wrote: 2 YEARS FREE ROOK MEMBERSHIP FOR THE WINNER.
MUST HAVE MORE THAN 200 PLAYERS TO START FOR THE BEST PRIZE EVER OFFERED ON BK

LJ what I dont get is you have March 30 as your last day to sign up, You wont start with out 200 folks yet you know Linda has been trying to get only 100 to sign up for over a month and shes not quite there. How do you propose you will get 200 to sign up with in just 3 weeks? Or was that part of the plan to make it look great when it's not really going to happen? Why not take the 200 part off?

We cant all afford it LJ that why there are other ways for those who cant afford such large prizes to donate to the site.. BTW "duh" was a pretty rude reply when a valid question was asked

awww... i can feel the love in here..

:-D

Be careful with the deadline parameter. When BK 2.0 is done and released, the "start tournament" button will be removed and all tournaments will be started automatically, according to their set deadline. And this process won't be reversable.

Of course.

I dont see a 5.00 cover charge on LongJohns tourny.
I would imagine folks would be more apt to participate,if it doesnt cost anything to join.
but of course...just my opinion

So when BK2.0 is around, the "Fast start" tournament which I normally don't mess with the date and just start when 5 people sign up.

I will then have to set a date for lets say a week - then when 5 people sign up, change the date back to current time and then start the tournament?

I was wondering about that... Of course more people will sign up for a free chance to win, than for a 5 dollar sign up fee...

LJ - Well as it sounds, once BK2.0 come around, there will be true "site tournaments" and then "player tournaments". So maybe a suggestion would be to have different "winners" stats for each type of tournament.

I'd be pleased to win one!! LOL:)

maybe the 2.0 will emerge after the exterminaters remove all the bugs?

I couldnt play...your going to let me win?

I read it...very humourous.

awww... i can feel the love in here..

:-D

hahaha Rod...isnt it amazing roflmbo:)
It only took a week as well :)

excuse me I was talking to Rod...answering HIS post way down the board or did you miss it down there....isnt his off topic as well?
or is it only off topic when it is I

Im running a reversi tournament, with hopefully a membership prize at the end...before i get any Pathetic Disabled Pensioners (Big Boss)remarks,
I want it to be known that I HOPE i can pay for someone to be come a member...I will wait and see of course :)

Fencer, cant anything be done at the Tournament list. All "childish" names and even antigames against paying members (Long John free zone is the last example). As far as i know has Long John paid for a pawn and now he has set up a prize tourney with 2 years membership as a prize.
Should he be "rewarded" with an anti tournament just because he seems to have pissed someone off?
I think CHILDISH is only the middle name!

We have reached our goal of 100 people. We will now begin to collect the $5 entry fee.
A link has been provided for pay-pal at the tournament. You can donate any amount you would like but minimum is $5 to enter.
You can make your payment or enter this tournament
here.PAY-PAL
A great big thank-you to all that entered and lots of luck.

*note* You do not have to be in this tournament to make a donation.
If you do not use pay-pal and want to send a check or money order please contact me, a mailing address will be provided.

Unless Fencer advises me differently, I am going to remove any posts here that have a suggestion of 'bickering' in them - be they advertising a tournament or not.

This isn't the place for personal disagreements.

LOL Long John, i suppose the creator has to change name for his tournaments now.
Shouldnt be a problem for him, his profile says he is webmaster for an Othello Union in UK, must be creative? :)

I only mention whats in the creators profile, cant get into trouble for that?

one has a problem:) one has just signed for ones first "anti backgammon"...has anyone got any tips....I know this isnt tournament but...sorry ...please PM me.
thanks :)