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24. Haziran 2009, 07:17:44
Hrqls 
Konu: Re: People who resign
i think nationality doesnt make a difference. culture might or the way someone has being raised by their parents (in any culture)

the main point is ... you are resigning as a favour for your opponent ... therefore its an good ethiquette to warn your opponent you will resign (or ask him if you can) unless you already know what your opponent wants

24. Haziran 2009, 09:53:39
Carl 
Konu: Re: People who resign
tfra11: "Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers".What rubbish!Giving up graciously in a game you can not possibly win has nothing to do with being a sore loser.no matter what country you happen to be born in.One of the top backgammon players on this site (hello Alan) is an American citizen and he will always resign an obvious loss.

24. Haziran 2009, 14:55:55
gogul 
Speaking with games, the cube decision seems to fit in this drop/hold it discussion. Because if culture is involved, you like to take a look at the peak moment. It's like this comic: When you are at best with your girl you can consider to let a new love start growing from the bottom (j/k).

29. Haziran 2009, 15:06:39
Herlock Sholmes 
Konu: 63 !

this is the number of initial positions for Massacre Chess ... or


63 ! = 1.98260832 × 1087


29. Haziran 2009, 15:51:56
Resher 
Konu: Re: 63 !
Herlock Sholmes:That would be the case if all 64 pieces were unique, but they're not here.  I haven't got time now to come up with what I think is the right answer, but it will be lower than (8^57)x 7! = 1.5 x 10^55

29. Haziran 2009, 16:12:25
AbigailII 
Konu: Re: People who resign
tfra11: Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers.

That's why in America's national passtime, baseball, all 9 innings are always played fully (there's always a bottom of the 9th), and the World Series is always exactly 7 games. And it's easy to pick out the American chess players in tournaments - they always play until mated.

29. Haziran 2009, 16:16:29
Herlock Sholmes 
Konu: Re: 63 !
Resher: It wasn't my calculation ... it was done by a mathematician ... maybe he was wrong, I don't know..

29. Haziran 2009, 16:50:58
Czuch 
Konu: Re: People who resign
AbigailII: This is crazy.... I can agree that you can be considered a sore loser if you simply quit when you get behind, but to resign a game with no mathematical possibility to win, that is completely different.


Baseball, there is always a mathematical chance to win, and that is true for all sports. But a game like backgammon, there is a point when it is not finished, where one player has no mathematical chance to win.

Of course, here on Brainking, there is always a chance that someone can timeout, which is not a normal situation for games in general.

29. Haziran 2009, 17:12:13
rabbitoid 
Konu: Re: 63 !
Herlock Sholmes:
the right formula is 64! / ((8!)^8) = 1,816572393163080675696402792818e+52 which is still more than the amount of cents I have in my bank account.

29. Haziran 2009, 17:13:35
awesome 
Konu: Re: People who resign
AbigailII: you must not watch much baseball, you are wrong on both the points you are trying to make and using baseball as an example...

...1. the bottom of the 9th is NOT always played if the home team has the lead after the top of the 9th !!!

2. the World Series is a best of 7...the first to 4 wins wins...they DO NOT always play 7 games !!!!

29. Haziran 2009, 17:47:02
AbigailII 
Konu: Re: 63 !
rabbitoid: That number doesn't consider reflections or rotations.

29. Haziran 2009, 18:04:15
pauloaguia 
Konu: Re: People who resign
awesome: I think she was being ironic...

29. Haziran 2009, 19:32:43
gogul 
Konu: Re: People who resign
pauloaguia: And Baseball is awesome

29. Haziran 2009, 19:39:07
rod03801 
Konu: Re: People who resign
awesome: Right, her point was that in baseball (considered the "American sport") games DO end when there is no mathematical way for the team to win. This was in response to tfra11 who is trying to say that it is "UnAmerican" to resign a game that is definitely lost.

She made an excellent point.

29. Haziran 2009, 20:12:19
gogul 
Konu: Re: People who win
rod03801: Dang that was fast. Triple play and next inning

29. Haziran 2009, 20:19:18
Czuch 
Konu: Re: People who resign
rod03801: I think you have it backwards.... in baseball, the game will end if there is no mathematical way for the home team to lose!

29. Haziran 2009, 20:24:42
rod03801 
Konu: Re: People who resign
Czuch: Well whatever, lol. I wasn't thinking it all the way out. Her point still was that games aren't played out all the way, if they don't need to be.

If you haven't read the whole thread, you will see where she is coming from, if you do.

I'm as American as any other American, and I have certainly resigned games that are mathematically impossible for me to win, and I feel comfortable saying that probably most others do as well. It was an inaccurate generalization on the part of tfra11.

29. Haziran 2009, 20:27:40
Czuch 
Konu: Re: People who resign
rod03801: It was more than simply an inaccurate generalization, it was flat out a misrepresentation

29. Haziran 2009, 20:33:50
rabbitoid 
Konu: Re: 63 !
AbigailII: Right. divide again by 8.

29. Haziran 2009, 21:05:31
gogul 
Konu: Re: People who resign
tfra11: Ever saw a Man mounted? Nay, never.

29. Haziran 2009, 22:18:48
Bernice 
Gosh the drugs must be extra strong today

30. Haziran 2009, 03:41:09
Czuch 
Konu: Re: People who resign
gogul: Ever man a mounted saw? Ay, forever.

30. Haziran 2009, 04:26:16
Czuch 
Konu: Re: People who resign
Czuch: I have done some construction in my life, and I have personally manned a mounted saw, many times actually, but that is just me...

30. Haziran 2009, 17:48:09
awesome 
Konu: Re: People who resign
rod03801:I missed that..my bad..sorry AbigailII...

1. Temmuz 2009, 11:55:10
Fencer 
Konu: Connection issues
Due to a broken optical link (somewhere in Prague) BrainKing is currently not accessible for the most users outside Czech Republic. Game timeouts have been stopped until the problem is solved.

1. Temmuz 2009, 13:03:31
pauloaguia 
Konu: Re: Connection issues
Fencer: I can get here now. Been out for about an hour or so...

1. Temmuz 2009, 13:09:11
Hrqls 
Konu: Re: Connection issues
Fencer: out for about 1 hour for me as well .. toughest hour of the day :)

1. Temmuz 2009, 13:20:51
alexlee 
Konu: Re: Connection issues
Fencer:
Ok from U.S. now too

1. Temmuz 2009, 17:29:09
Pedro Martínez 
Konu: Re: Connection issues
Hrqls:

2. Temmuz 2009, 13:19:07
beach 
beach (2. Temmuz 2009, 13:24:38) tarafından düzenlendi
anyone else notice the times for games moves changed on the games today, 3 day games that should read 4 days 23 hrs changed back to 2 days 23 hrs also when I make a move in these games it goes to 2 days 23 hrs, my weekend days are Sat and Sun so they should go to 4 days 23 hrs, something has to be wrong with the clocks, when I logged in this morning all my games were at the same time 2 days 23 hrs

2. Temmuz 2009, 13:46:01
tinksbell 
Konu: Re:
beach: I noticed games that had 17hrs last night are not listed & I did not time out. I am confused & concerned.

2. Temmuz 2009, 13:50:55
beach 
I have over 100 games that do not show on either my turn or my oppontents turn

2. Temmuz 2009, 14:25:35
Pedro Martínez 
Konu: Re:
beach: Well, I have noticed that 2 days have been added to all of my games. Maybe you should dig a little deeper in the list of your games to find those. :)

2. Temmuz 2009, 14:28:15
beach 
2 days are now being added as of this morning last night all my 3 day games were over 4 days 23 which is what they should have been this morning I log on and all those games are 2 days 23 hrs so I lost time not gained time, talked to a couple of other people and they have the same thing, and all games should not have had the same amount of time this morning, they are all played at different times

2. Temmuz 2009, 16:18:18
Fencer 
Konu: Re:
beach: It's a side effect of the recovery system in case of temporarily disabled timeouts. It tries to balance the time left but does not count with weekend and vacation days.
It will be self-fixed when you make a move.

I think that I will announce the BrainKing Facebook page soon, because I want to use it for instant and quick messages of this kind.

2. Temmuz 2009, 18:32:17
Fencer 
Konu: Firefox 3.5
By the way, BrainKing works fine with Firefox 3.5. I would say it is even a little faster.

2. Temmuz 2009, 23:38:00
beach 
Konu: Re:
Fencer: thanks for the explanation

5. Temmuz 2009, 00:04:09
MadMonkey 
Konu: Re: Firefox 3.5
Fencer: And by the way, if you use Mozilla's Prism brainking is loadssssss faster

(one sad drawback is though you can not have any add-ons)

5. Temmuz 2009, 16:29:39
Fencer 
Konu: BrainKing on Facebook
For those who do not read BrainKing.info blog. I have started a BrainKing page at Facebook and it is the recommended place to join our discussion about the upcoming new version of BrainKing. Everybody is welcome to add own suggestions or opinions.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/BrainKing/113831815814

5. Temmuz 2009, 19:01:06
Czuch 
Konu: Re: BrainKing on Facebook
Fencer: Why not Twitter?

5. Temmuz 2009, 19:14:08
Fencer 
Konu: Re: BrainKing on Facebook
Czuch: I don't like Twitter.

8. Temmuz 2009, 22:12:47
tinksbell 
Konu: Timeouts
I just got timed out on 6 games, an hour ago I had 14 hours on all the games. Very confused on what is happening to the system... & disappointed. Not sure what to do about it...

8. Temmuz 2009, 22:20:14
Bernice 
Konu: Re: Timeouts
Bernice (8. Temmuz 2009, 22:20:39) tarafından düzenlendi
tinksbell: now I dont know about fischers clock but are you playing games using that? might be the answer...............

8. Temmuz 2009, 22:28:11
tinksbell 
Konu: Re: Timeouts
Bernice: I am not sure if any of them were, but it should not have changed from 14 hours to move to -4day. It is impossible to fix that on the users end...

8. Temmuz 2009, 22:33:28
MadMonkey 
Konu: Re: Timeouts
tinksbell: Yesterday (or was it the day before) i got here to find i had 120 games ALL with the same time on and they were all timing out 35 minutes after i got here. I tried my best, but still had time outs

I presume this was something to do when the site was down the other day, i can not see any other way to end up with all those games having the same time

8. Temmuz 2009, 22:37:10
tinksbell 
Konu: Re: Timeouts
MadMonkey: Its particularly depressing as I was going to finally win some of those hard to win Pente & Keryo Pente games, they were in tournaments.
:-(

9. Temmuz 2009, 09:51:38
pauloaguia 
Konu: Re: Timeouts
tinksbell: Did you happen to change your vacation days?
I got that, some time ago when I removed a vacation day from the end of my vacations. Many games of mine (the non Fischer clock ones) went suddenly from 3 days left to -8 or -9 days left. Since that day was already marked as a vacation day I ended up not timing up on any of those games, but I got quite a scare.

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