And BTW, any references I made to sterilization was not done seriously.  As I said in one of my posts, it was a logical extension of a socialist philosophy.  Sweden is a case in point but of course there are other examples as well.  And I think Czuch would agree with me that a socialist model tends to diminish the emphasis on personal responsibility.  After all, if you mess up, the government is there to pick up the pieces.  Both Czuch and I favor smaller government.  And speaking for myself, I would never vote for Bush again.  Both he and many of his fellow republicans "left the tenets of the faith" and adopted policies that are NOT consistent with republican philosophy.   They are part of the problem we are now it.   Had the republicans lived by their true calling, we wouldn't be in this mess.  And just so it's clear, the democrats aren't off the hook.  They helped create this mess as well.