MadMonkey: 1) But you still have an option to offer a double. 2) Why don't you click on a placed piece to remove it?
http://brainking.info/archives/191-BrainKing-button-for-Google-Toolbar-again-and-something-for-Logik.html

Fencer: 1) Agreed, not that i can see many people doing that, but you still do not need to roll the dice

2) I havent got a game where its my go right now, but i am sure you can not click on a piece just played. I think thats what made me take notice lol, will check when i get a go back

MadMonkey: you sure can, let me assure you that:)

Gordon Shumway: I trust you, but there is something there that dont work, as earlier i tried to remove a piece and it would not let me, so i had to choose another piece (or restart turn as it should say).
Anyway, it does not work in Mancala, that is restart turn.

MadMonkey: There's another solution. Use Firefox's Back button to go back one step :)

Firefox is #1,

joshi tm: Try reading my first post, i did put that.
Sadly i dont think its a very user friendly way to navigate round a site, why have any buttons

MadMonkey: Sorry, reading is not my best ....

MadMonkey: I disagree. Back and Forward buttons in the browser have the same functionality for all sites, therefore making it easy to understand and use. Additional buttons don't add anything in my opinion.

grenv: One of the companies that i do work for (when i am not building) is actually used by site owners / builders to review there websites for user compatibility and friendliness.
Guess what one of the gripes that they get pulled on all the time is ? Navigation of a site
Sites that use the back & forward buttons to navigate dont get great reviews i can assure you.
That and not enough or easiness of help facilities.
Brainking would do very well with things like the context menu & game pull down menu, but not inside an actual game. Take many sites a lot more basic then brainking (bugcafe springs to mind as i was just there) when playing moves in a game there are always 2 option available to you - Undo last move & Restart turn, quite simple, clear and useful things to have, especially in multi-move games like Mancala, Logik, Battleboat plus etc....

MadMonkey: I don't find bugcafe userfriendly at all ;) I feel lost in this terrible cloud of something. BrainKing is very much clearer to me. And I have to back grenv in this point: Back- and Forwardbuttons are two fundamental functions that every browser has, that every user knows how to use, and that every site should use to actually send the user one step back or "back forward".

Gordon Shumway: I did not say BugCafe was user friendly, just they have 2 buttons that do things that are useful, BugCafe is very basic compared to brainking but as a user i would rather have options to do things rather that go backwards & forwards in my browser.

After all thats the idea having various buttons and options is it not OR why bother at all if you can always find ways to get by without them ????

Maybe we should stop asking for options here as there are always other ways around a problem, BUT that does not make for site friendliness & usability.

What is wrong having 2 buttons / options that do what they say, rather than ONE that does not do what it says (depending what game you are in). If i hit 'Choose another piece' on my 4th move in Battleboat Plus, i dont select another piece at all, i restart my turn, but anyone new to brainking would not know that, they would go by what the button says it does.

So the question is, Do we need all these different options on brainking about navigating the site to boards, next games, tournaments, ponds etc..etc... the answer is no in your case as there is always a way to get there anyway.

Personally, i want brainking to carry on improving and would rather the way we have it now and the way we are heading.

If something makes sense and it is possible, why not have it ??

MadMonkey: You're right about that BB example. The button should be named "restart turn" and not "choose another piece". And you're right, an additional "undo last move" might be helpful for some.

I just have a different opinion on the value of "Back" and "Forward": Everybody who uses a browser knows them, uses them and has the same mental model of them and what to expect from them. A lot of sites that use forms for navigation or that use AJAX or whatever hip thing break this model and make them useless, leaving the user alone with nothing than the - often badly designed - navigation tools the site offers them.

I am so glad that BrainKing is fully Back button compatible! The Back button is always at the same spot, it is available and in place even if the page didn't fully load, I can easily click it 3times in a row to go 3 steps back without waiting for the "undo" button to be rendered, it offers a menu to go back for example 5 steps in one, and for me it is just a 4mm movement of my right thumb. I would never use anything else just to go one page back - what an overhead!

So the question is, Do we need all these different options on brainking about navigating the site to boards, next games, tournaments, ponds etc..etc... the answer is no in your case as there is always a way to get there anyway.

The question is a definite yes for me. I don't see any convenient way to perform the mentioned navigations other than by the options offered by BrainKing. It would be very cumbersome. It just doesn't have anything to do with the Back button :)

That doesn't mean of course, that everybody has to use it, and that the other buttons are useless. They seem to be useful for some, if not many, so the changes you propose are reasonable! If we have the "restart" button we should have the "undo" button also. And they of course should be named properly.

Gordon Shumway: 100% agree

I think the Context Menu is the best way to move about brainking myself, when not on the main games screen. As long as you take a bit of time to set it up with the links you use, i find it a great way to jump about the place

Gordon Shumway: I almost never click on "choose another piece" but hit the back button if I didn't like a move. But I do always use the "choose another piece" button if I want to start the move over. I agree that something like "restart turn" is more accurate, but I figure that was entered when he was writing the site with a chess program.