Iamon lyme: [...every war we've entered into over the past 100 years... ]

Oh yeah? Well what about Iraq? What about those wars, huh? Well? If we Dems hadn't been working so hard to strangle oil exploration and drilling and refusing to upgrade and build new refineries you Repugs wouldn't have been so thirsty for oil that you would actually, uh, you know, because we've been wanting to explore new alternatives to oil because, well oil is dirty, you know, like coal, not as dirty but you know what I mean... uh, um.. okay never mind... as you were... carry on.

Iamon lyme: It may come as a surprise but I'm thinking of becoming a liberal. I'm tired of thinking for myself.

Artful Dodger: I don't know about you, but I was a liberal during the early 70's and it's not as easy as you might think. Thinking for yourself is better and much more satisfying, I'll grant you that, but I need to take a break from it now and then.

I took a break tonight. Visited one of my daughters and played with the grandkids, and made it a point to forget all about politics for at least a few hours. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss anything by not seeing the debate tonight, because of what I already know about VP debates: It was probably a dog fight compared to the Romney/Obama debate. I know that Bidden prepared for it, as did Ryan. And over the next 5 days depending on how it went, the media will either spin what happened or declare victory for Bidden. I'm hoping I'm wrong, because it's the predictable nature of politics that make it so mind numbingly boring to watch.

Iamon lyme: Ryan was a gentleman and Biden was an ass.

Artful Dodger: I managed to see a brief clip from the debate on a local news program, and I couldn't help feeling sorry for Bidden because of how foolish he looked. Ryan is so much younger but you wouldn't know it if just listening to them talk. Ryan wasn't disrespectful, but he did come across as being more mature. But like I said, it was just a brief clip, so I'll have to find a transcript of the debate and read it... I'd rather do it that way than see it, so I didn't really miss anything important. Playing with the grandkids tonight was important, didn't want to miss out on that.

Artful Dodger: Why do I get the feeling this debate will be downplayed if not ignored? I don't mean this as a rhetorical question, it's just that I have this gut feeling I won't be hearing much about it in the news.

The Col: Flip Flop MItt, a man of no rock solid values.

Artful Dodger: On the other hand, I'll probably not be any better informed than I am now by reading the entire transcript. This is the result of Biden preparing himself for a debate?

Obama should have been prepared and Biden phone it in... they both would have done better.

the link didn't work, so I'll try it again..

the result of Biden preparing himself

Iamon lyme: Last night, Joe Biden was a three-letter word: J-E-R-K

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/last-night-joe-biden-was-a-three-letter-word-j-e-r-k/#ixzz295tjC800

It also had a superb moderator, Martha Raddatz, holding the ring
between them covering a range of subjects from taxation to Iran, from
abortion to Afghanistan. Most politically committed people will claim their man won and the argument can be made both ways.

Mr Biden won on points, perhaps, but his manner may have put off some undecided voters.

He was stronger, more aggressive, more certain of his
position - but chuckled, laughed, smiled, grinned at his opponent, in a
way that was certainly condescending and that some will have found
irritating. Paul Ryan, for someone with no foreign policy experience, put
on a good show but was unable to answer some tough questions,
particularly on Afghanistan and Syria.

His weakness was caused directly by an ideological desire to attack President Obama for being weak, without having decided what a stronger policy would actually look like.

He couldn't say what he would do differently in Syria, what
would cause troops to stay in Afghanistan or indeed what tax loopholes
he would close.

The debate on unemployment and taxation was generally much
more evenly matched. Mr Ryan has been painted as a bogeyman by Democrats
but came across generally as serious and likeable.

The Beltway crowd persist in seeing Mr Biden as a clown. He might have laughed too much but the man on stage was no fool.This debate probably won't change much - the ball is still very much in Mr Obama's court next week.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Politicians in the UK who try to get away with having no policy get crucified by our UK political analysts.... Especially on live progs.

mckinley: Well with a person on the 'other side' with no idea, it gets annoying that you can't say ..."you are an idiot".

mckinley: From what I've seen.. he did. If Ryan was genuine he'd have had answers. Bad show for not doing his homework!!

mckinley: You haven't been reading the reviews. Even David Gregory was highly critical of Biden.

mckinley: You must be ok with partial birth abortion. Biden is. And you must be ok with allowing a baby to die after a failed abortion attempt. Obama voted against a law that would require doctors and nurses to care for any human baby "born alive" after a failed abortion attempt. Instead, Obama favors leaving the newborn alone unattended to die. Maybe Obama missed the part in sex ed class where AFTER a woman gives birth she is no longer pregnant. So ALL ARGUMENTS for abortion are moot. The woman is NOT pregnant and the newborn is alive. And yet Obama favors allowing medical personnel to neglect the newborn and just let it die. Many times it takes hours and hours for the newborn to die. Sanctioned murder by President Obama. And partial birth abortion is where the doctor preforms a breach birth, leaves the head inside the birth canal, cuts a slit in the back of the skull, inserts a tube and suctions out the brain. All this while the unborn child is ALIVE and kicking (literally). Only barbaric fools support those that sanction such horrible acts. You apparently are one of them.

mckinley: I'm sure your views are fair and balanced.

mckinley: Hopefully the natives can remain not stoned long enough to fight.. But I think maybe both sides do.. Maybe we should leave them all to get stoned, can't see them fighting then!!

mckinley: Biden soothed the base by tossing ample red meat.Ryan actually came across as a fairly nice guy, unlike his used car salesman running mate who will say anything to get elected.If Biden amped down the laughing and smirks, and was able to corner Ryan on the details of their policies, it would have been a blood bath

Artful Dodger: I swore the ticket had become Obama/Biden/Raddatz

She seemed to be trying to help Biden through a lot of it.

Granted, he needed it.

rod03801: That's odd (not really) because the first debate appeared to be Obama/Biden/Blitzer

rod03801: Several commentators made the same observation. When Biden was in trouble on a particular topic, she moved to another topic. Biden interrupted Ryan over 80 times. Ryan interrupted barely a handful. Biden smirked, rolled his eyes (like some middle school girl) and was mocking. And Biden had plenty of gaffes too.

Artful Dodger: She also goaded him, and not Biden "Oh , so STILL no specifics?" she said that twice that I remember. It just seemed like she wanted to confront Ryan, and coddle Biden.

rod03801: You missed where she questioned Biden's statement regarding the withdrawal of troops during the "fighting season" she stated she was skeptical that the generals were down with it, Biden had to clarify the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff supported the timetable......I suppose the debate can be viewed differently depending which horse you have in the race, but that and the Libya issue were examples of the mod hold the VP's feet to the fire IMO

Joe Biden
The military reason was bringing -- by the way, when the president announced the surge, you'll remember, Martha, he said the surge will be out by the end of the summer. The military said the surge will be out. Nothing political about this.

Before the surge occurred -- so you be a little straight with me here, too -- before the surge occurred, we said they'll be out by the end of the summer. That's what the military said. The reason for that is...

RADDATZ: The military follows orders. I mean, there -- trust me. There are people who were concerned about pulling out on the fighting season.

BIDEN: Sure. There are people that are concerned, but not the Joint Chiefs. That was their recommendation in the Oval Office to the president of the United States of America. I sat there. I'm sure you'll find someone who disagrees with the Pentagon. I'm positive you'll find that within the military. But that's not the case here.

And, secondly, the reason why the military said that is, you cannot wait and have a cliff. It takes -- you know -- months and months and months to draw down forces

rod03801: This should help explain things a bit more clearly:

Artful Dodger: It really is a shame you have turned what could be a respectful forum for political discussion into a spam filled propaganda board

rod03801: "...coddle Biden."

That's hilarious. Okay, so maybe her maternal instincts kicked in, we can't fault her for that. It can happen to the most hardened feminist whether they want it to happen or not. Genetic programing can be ignored only up to a point. and guys have the same problem, no matter how sensitive and caring we try to be the beast manages to surface at some point. And no one can be blamed for this, because it's not anyone's fault... it's evolutions fault. Or maybe the aliens who seeded this planet with the DNA that made it all possible... its their fault too. And I'm sure Bush had something to do with it.

Okay, I take back what I said about being a liberal... it really is as easy as it seems to be.

Top 5 Reasons: http://youtu.be/eILPwSOtXxI via @youtube

The Col: "It really is a shame you have turned what could be a respectful forum for political discussion into a spam filled propaganda board"


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It is really a shame you can't remember what you say from one day to the next.

Iamon lyme: Are eggshells a popular floor covering in your world?

Iamon lyme: Propaganda board? I thought liberals loved propaganda!

(V): That makes as much sense as anything else you've said, but why anyone would think a one day reinvention of himself that ends the same day could carry any weight is beyond my ability to fathom... and the inability to fathom this was one of my limitations that made being a liberal difficult if not impossible. Apparently my DNA was coded for me to become a conservative instead of a liberal. But I did try, you have to at least give me credit for that... or not. Maybe tomorrow you can.

Iamon lyme: ahhh the 'ex liberal'.. just like ex smokers. Ok.. we get it, you had a revelation and realised you could blame things on being liberal.

Isn't that though a bit hypocritical, as apparently we can't blame Bush anymore!

Does your DNA approve of cluster bombs?

(V): [ Does your DNA approve of cluster bombs? ]

Is telegraphing your moves after the fact encoded in yours?

Iamon lyme: I am as I am. No more and no less and content with that.

Do you approve of cluster bombs?

(V): [ Do you approve of cluster bombs? ]

Are you talking about literal bombs used in actual wars, or are you refering to what it is you do when you are losing ground in a debate and so begin "lobbing bombs"? I have to assume it's the second meaning because I either missed the discussion on the use of (literal) cluster bombs, or you are wanting to change the subject and talk about the use of (literal) cluster bombs. So before I can answer your question it is necessary that I must ask which is it?

Are you asking about literal or figurative cluster bombs?

Iamon lyme: Literal cluster bombs... it has relevance.

So playing



Is bad? I kill demons me!!

On tonight's HIGNFY, it was pointed out that while "The Daily Mail Online" is rightfully laying into Jimmy Savile, it's own history of picture taking is far from moral regarding under-age children. It is also noted that as soon as any female reaches 16 she is fair game. Many articles can be found under a search of the site with three words...

... "all grown up".

It was also noted that pictures of celeb women in all manners of attire are perfectly ok on the site

... You see.. in those stories it's all about how the women's sizes keep changing.

(V): [ Literal cluster bombs... it has relevance. ]

Relevance to what? I have no problem with you using cluster bombs in your video games if they are available to you. IMO the only possible victim in such a game is the player. It's up to you how you want to spend your time, that's not my call, so your question in regard to video war games is with all due respect irrelevant.

If you are asking if I personally approve of cluster bombs, I can't help you out with that either because implements of war isn't a specialty of mine. I take it you do not approve of them, but in the interest of schlepping this line of thought flowing onward and keeping you otherwise occupied as theives break into your place and tippy toe out the door with some things in your fridge you would not want to part with how do you feel about guns or knives? How about protective shielding, or is that cheating?

(V): Do you approve of chain saws?

Iamon lyme: JUles approves of killing the unborn AND allowing for babies just born to be left to die. It's in his DNA.

Artful Dodger: She survived her abortion, and has been on the run ever since. If you see this illegal child do not approach her, but instead call your local authorities.

Iamon lyme: Yeah, the liberals are still trying to kill her yelling, "You're supposed to be dead! You're giving abortion a bad name! Die you little K*$)#Y@#O!!!!"

Artful Dodger: There are survivors of botched abortions. The first one I heard about lost one of his arms because it was the first body part to be pulled out. When the abortionist saw it he panicked because he realised the baby was fully formed and ready to be born. Back when that happened only babies in the first term (the first three months of development) could be legally killed. The mother had lied about how far along she was, so the attending doctor had no other choice than to safely remove the baby and let him live. Or let her live, I don't recall the gender of the child... as though that should make any difference to liberals, they are equal opportunity baby killers in this country. Not so much in other countries, where gender does make a difference in determining whether the childs life should be terminated or not.

Iamon lyme: How anyone in good conscience can condone such barbaric acts and then in the same breath complain about war. Evil. And the liberals defend it.