BuilderQ - point 4

BuilderQ: What is "hundreds"?

Why is it that I can draw rated games with players rated hundreds of points above or below me, without either my rating, or my opponent's rating, changing? Which of BBW's points explains that?

"easy to understand" is not a quality of the rating formula ... rather of the one who uses it LOL
No, sorry, I do not understand it either :-) ... but I think the BK formula works well ... if you go through BBW's points carefully, you will find answers to all that doesn't seem "reasonable" to you ...

Why doesn't BrainKing use a simpler rating formula, which produces reasonable results while being easy to understand? See http://www.uschess.org/cc/ccratefl.php

You are right, that we are GMT +13 so doesn't work for NZ. Our daylight savings time changed beginning of October, when we put clocks forward an hour. Just means I have to remember that when the clock says 11pm it really is midnight lol.

Here you can find the formula according to which the BKRs are counted:

http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/ratings/approx/approx.html

1st: "unrated" players actually have ratings - just you don't see them until 4 games are played.

2nd: Ratings takes many things to figure a rating: Your rating, your oppenets ratings, how many games you played, and how many games your oppenent played.

3rd: Until 25 games are played (Well actually until 100+ games are played), ratings will fluxuate a lot. That is why it is a "provisional" rating until 25 games are played. I actually heard it can take up to 400 games before a rating is actually set pretty well.

4th: Even if you don't see ratings change, it may change. For example, before a game it may be 1500.1, then after the game it could be 1500.4 - but since you only see the "1500", it looks like it does not change... even though it does.

5th: How the formula works, it is even possible to lose points when you win! (When you don't have many games played, etc...) But I believe Fencer made it so you never lose points for a win, so at those times your rating will actually stay the same.

Anyway, in short - ratings will do very funny things until you get many games under your belt. At least 25 games, but probable more then 100 games is needed before your ratings will settle down.

i see no reason to play higher rated players anymore if i'll get more points playing beginners that are unrated...i'll take an easy win for twice as many points anyday....

but i beat the higher rated players and got nothing like what somebody got against me and i wasn't even rated....you don't understand...in frogs i did win games against the higher rated players and only got anywhere from 15 to 18 points...i play a game of anti-frogs and lost and they get 38 points..!!....i didn't even have a rating in anti-frogs why did they get sooo many points but i play the better players at regular frogs and get a pittance of points when i win aginst good players...why did somebody get 38 points for winning against an unrated player but when i win against somebody rated # 7 or 8 i get not even half that many points....WHY..!!??

The rating system's great, I can draw a game with someone rated 357 points below me and not lose any points!

Mamba: that's the general idea behind the rating system: you get more points if you beat higher rated players. higher rated players are (suposedly)harder to beat, so when you win a game against one, you get a bigger reward. Makes sense, no?
Also, if you are 400 points behind and win a game against a big player, you'll get more points then if you're ratings are similar.

Of course there are other factors like number of games played and I think the formula is different if it's an established rating or a provisional one. But the general idea is the same.

i won a game with Diogenes..i got 17 points
i won a game with Hanis...i got 18 points
both of these players had over a 2000 rating at the frog game when i won...
anybody i win a game with playing frogs that's below 1500 in points i get 0 points...now why did somebody get 38 points when they won agame with me at anti-frog..???.. me an unrated player at anti-frog..38 points..!!!...i'm sorry but i just don't think the points are being dished out fairly here.....also...now that i'm talking points.....when the site fried in october of 2003 and we were all assured that our points and ratings would be reinstated if we sent a message about what our scores were....and to go ahead and resign games we previsiouly had won ..well when you readjusted the points last week you must have forgotten all that because i now have losses for the games i resigned that i wouldn't have resiged if i wasn't assured all was ok....

I think New Zealand is +12 GMT/UTC with fixes according to DST.
So now it's +13 GMT/UTC.......

you can always set your clock to GMT-11 and tell your computer he's got the date wrong :)

....................BAD BISHOP!!

Send me your questions for BadBishop! Hurry up, time is running out! See your question among the others and lets get another interesting interview!

I always thought the All Blacks were rather forward LOL

....I think!

But New Zealand is +13 GMT. It is half an hour away from the 15th.

The dropdown list contains all zones from GMT -12:00 to GMT +12:00. It must work for everyone.

unfortunately that doesn't work for us in New Zealand, have it set at the furtherest time but still shows one hour behind what the time actually is, no other options after that.

Bernice: Then set the next time zone. Names of cities are just as a hint, the time shift value is more important.

BK has time zones with Brisbane, Sydney, Vladisvostok (sp) as the same time....

at the moment Sydney is ONE HOUR ahead of brisbane and will be for the next 6 months...can this be rectified?

Mamba: There is no jackpot, the formula works in this way.

so what is the use of having people on enemies if you dont want them to know what you are doing...or is being on enemies only to stop the"enemy" from PMing?.

I dont currently have anyone on enemies...been a long time since that happened LOLOL

Yes. It has the dot beside players on your enemies list as well.

"Do I see a dot beside their name?"

Bernice: Do you mean "Do they see a dot beside my name?" or "Do I see a dot beside their name?"

Mamba: The amount of points gained or lost is mostly dependent on the two ratings. Even unrated players actually have a rating, it is just not displayed. So they might have a very high rating or a very low rating, both affecting your rating very differently.

if i have someone on enemies, and Im actually playing a game with them..does the little green dot appear by their name? or are they hidden because i have them on enemies?

see i told you it was a silly Q LOLOL

i have a question about how the points are given for a rating....i've played unrated players at froglet and get maybe 4 or 5 points if i win ...i just lost a game of anti-frog and the other person got 38 points....how is this big of a difference in points possible...we've both played about 30 games of the respective games but i only get a few and they hit the jackpot

BBW=Mr popularity

you noticed its only since his real photo has been up LOL

BBW Fencer wants you LOL

Thank you, Number 2560 :-)

LMAO

yeah...thx BBW :-)your the greatest!!

In the player list, you can sort by first signin date, which orders it by ID number.

... is this what you are asking?

is there a way to list members by their ID number?////
do ID numbers escalate as members join?ie:Fencer is number 1
Bwildman is number 5244..

see LOL

oh? lol

message with " in the title, the reply title is cut short?
Its only happened since bk2

.... and an option to have it viewable above the game board, otherwise it is mostly useless.

Could it made so that only the last note is left visible and not previous ones?

bwildman: Could be better.

Well dreaming is not bad....:-)
But who knows, one day this may happen.......

Is there a way to change the settings of the messages on the db, so that all messages of one thread, show up underneath each other?

Thanks

how are the t-shirt sales going,Fencer?

Arsenal????? What´s this??????? A beer???????

Yupieeee for Chelsea!!!!!!!!!

"Oh dear, even Arsenal fans have delusions of grandeur now! :Þ"


:) no, just a kinda smugness! do you remember 1961?

Thanks, Stevie :)

BTW welcome back Cariad