anastasia: Some "druggies" will take anything - and they will process the old med's in their bodies until it comes out as less harmful waste.

anastasia: in the UK were told to take any unwanted meds back to a chemist for them to dispose of them

Snoopy: I THOUGHT we should eb able to take them back to the pharmacy here too,but someone once told me no...I should double check that tho...wonder how they get rid of them?? lol

anastasia: this might help
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/medications/default.htm


http://www.ecoearth.info/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=110440&keybold=Wilderness%20Roadless%20Forests%20Rainforests%20Indigenous%20Endangered%20Species

Snoopy: Yep. That's the advice. Good one advice also.

Haven't you heard it's not all doom and gloom??

The boffins have already worked out a 'quick fix' if necessary. It's based on what happens when a volcano erupts. One of the chemicals pumped in to the air is sulphur which blocks the sun a little (or alot depending on the quantity)

So put some into a load of rockets......

coan.net: You got it.... sell them on the streets, thats the best way to get rid of old drugs, and profitable as well

I think it already has run its cycle....

But the answer is, a little bit of both?

that was a good debate you guys!! Now what topic will we argue about!!??? lol!!

Artful Dodger: HA! NEVER!! honestly,I didn't see that you had changed the topic on the board,hehehe...you have your work cut out for you keeping up with changing that!!

Artful Dodger: ohhhh!! good topic!!!!

anastasia: We take them to the drugstore and they dispose them.

Artful Dodger: Nice story AD! About sums it up doesnt it?

Artful Dodger: Sounds like a time when we had a conservative gov.... or those private companies who price fixed building public works.

Democracy is not perfect, but it's the best of all the government types tried so far.

anastasia: Billy Mays seems to think we're all deaf.Vince takes it to a whole other level of consciousness

Artful Dodger: .... The American government has been sticking it's nose into various things around the world and in it's own country for ages under both parties...

Cold war... even though there were alot of wars, and even thinking of using a possibly unsafe element called agent green on it's own soil.

.... And it's the governments job to help the people as best it can, it won't stop all the "chips" falling, but taking the edge off is like a doc given you painkillers for a cracked rib..... You know it's gonna take time to heal, yet at least you don't have to feel the worst of the 'pain'.

"the automobile industry can file bankruptcy and then restructure in such a way that they will truly be competitive on the world market."

And the jobs lost in the process right now in the midst of a depression, when jobs are harder to find... And what if the all American car makers get bought by foreign companies?

.... How would that look and feel to proud Americans?

Artful Dodger: ?? Which ones, the ones who need help.. or the ones who don't but it'll be good to have an enemy of your enemy on your side?

Yes.. Jobs will be lost no doubt. But how many and for how long, and maybe it'll give some of your corps more time to think together.

(V): you sound as tho you are having a "nasty" against USA

Bernice: Nope.... Just read alot of history and watched documentries about in the ins and out over the last 60 years. I mean... how many people know we've come close to full scale Nuclear war twice?

(V): well there was definately Russia under Boris Yeltsin, and I don't know why but cuba comes to mind.....but please feel free to enlighten the "unread" of us LOL

Bernice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Bernice: 1983... The russian sats thought high altitude clouds for missile launches, if it weren't for a guys gut feeling that it was a false alarm.. well. ... ...

plus many times The USA's systems have 'malfunctioned' .

Pedro Martínez: Thanks for that :) I didnt search because it was only 6.15am Saturday morning and a bit heavy to get into before I go to work ROFL..........

(V): BUT...to follow up on your how many people know we've come close to full scale Nuclear war twice?

more people than you realize I think

Bernice: Possibly, and possibly not. It's a cat situation.

Artful Dodger: I think one problem with the bankruptcy route could be that most people probably don't want to chance buying a car from a "bankrupt" company, and if sales get even worse, there is even less chance of recovering.

I'm against the bailout though, but I do worry about that.

Artful Dodger: I, personally, understand that.

For most people, a car is one of their biggest purchases. When foreign cars are already better (in many peoples' eyes), I think a majority of people will say, "Why chance it?" and buy from other companies.

rod03801: the banks were bailed out...the auto will be given a loan they are saying (saying) they will pay back.
Why are the banks (AIG) not being held accountable that after the big bail out they sent their CIO's on vacations,not once but twice...and the banks used the money to buy out other banks....why is nobody raising hell about that??

I'm just going on things I heard or read - sorry I don't have examples - nor am I sure this is 100% correct, but I will try to post what I know about the automobile bailout.

As anastasia has said - it is more of a loan then a bailout.

Also, as I understand it - the UAW in their last 2 contracts have already given in on many things they had in the past, and as I understand it - the president of the union has also agreed that the union will take more cuts. As I understand it, the Senate wanted the union president the other day to promise exact cuts that the UAW would take, and even though he agreed that the UAW needed to do that - he could of course not give specifics since things like that would have to be voted on by all UAW union workers.

The Union president has also said that (as I mentioned about, the union already took cuts and willing to do more), that he also believes that the union should not be the only one giving back. The CEO's and upper management of the car companies should also give back. Also the majority of car parts are made by non-union companies, and even though the UAW has taken cuts in the past - management and other outside sources have only gained in the past. So as he said, the union is willing to do their part - but they also should not be the only ones.

Plus just to let people know - I believe unions today are almost pointless. I believe I lost my job 6 years ago because of the greed and uselessness of a union - so it's not that I'm pro-union... I'm just posting what I understand of the situation right now.

... and again, I say "as I understand" a lot since I'm not 100% sure of all of those - it is just things I have heard and read - so it might not be correct.

coan.net: I'm pretty much on ya with everthing you said...that is what our news is also reporting to us as of 6 pm today..
I agree unions are pretty pointless today,I know alot of people would string me up for that one,but I laso worked for one up till about 1 year ago and all they did was take my dues every week.
Upper management SHOULD give back....why the people for these compnaies make MILLIONS of dollars a year is beyond me

anastasia: unions is australia are practically null and void....thank the Lord for small mercies LOL

anastasia: thanks to the Iron Lady we dont hear much from the unions now in the UK

Snoopy: Ohhhhhhh yes we do, just certain practices are now illegal that they use to do when it came to strikes.

There have been quite a few one or two day strikes in the last year by various unions which they take if the membership do so vote in the majority. Plus all the lorry driver protests over fuel prices specifically 'duty'

... I've seen teachers and experianced the consequences of teachers striking, seen council workers strike, fireman strike, tube drivers strike, and many threats of such unless a compromise could be met over the unions demands (supported by the members) which would lead to a resolution to the problem or dispute at hand.

anastasia: Greed and the ability to give themselves wonderful pay rises.. It's the golden handshakes that get to me.... where some get it even if they've done a bad job and are having to resign or get sacked.

... In those conditions I don't think they should get a penny extra except what is owed to them under the same laws as average John by state law. Usually paid till the end of the month or what ever pay period is used.

"The White House said a disorderly bankruptcy in the motor industry would be a huge blow which the US economy could not withstand."

(V): what i meant was we dont have Winters of discontent and the unions holding the country to ransom esp the miners anymore has we did in the 70s

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7598647.stm

Snoopy: Yep. That was a step to far. But the democratic right of a group of people to hold a peaceful protest is still much used.

Ghandi changed a country and ended a war through it.

coan.net: As anastasia has said - it is more of a loan then a bailout.


I dont have to read more than that right there to know it is a bad idea! If this was really a loan and a good idea, then there would be hundreds of private banks etc lining up to give them financial help! The fact that they are asking the federal government for help tells me straight away that they have no banks or other private institutions that think this is not a huge risk! Why should we take a risk that nobody else thinks is worth it?

What thet are asking for, pure and simple is a bail out, it is notever going to get paid back, using the word 'loan' is a bunch of crap!

anastasia: Upper management SHOULD give back..

If I were in congress right now, I would tell them that I would not listen to one word they have to say until each and everyone there begging for us to help them survive was to quit!

Only then would I be assured they have the best interest of the industry in mind and not their own well being!

Artful Dodger: a huge blow which the US economy could not withstand."

I have to agree with you on this one, except that I am sure economists would have opposite opinions just as scientists have different views on global warming.

I tend to believe that the US economy would be resilient enough to rebound from anything sooner or later.... just like the global climates

Artful Dodger: Like who? Bernard Madoff??

Are you telling me that all the economists and such (you have like we have civil servants?) have now left the white house and all the related depts that deal with the economy already!!

Are you willing to stake millions on jobs on someone who will disagree just because they don't like your new government?

.. Funny, when the Bush was in power I was lead to believe (or told to) that the government is always right.

Czuch: I think congress should give back some of the pay raises THEY also always vote in favor of for themselves too :)
I love how THEY vote on if they should get a pay raise...let us the voters vote on that one and see what WE say

anastasia: But that's just part of it.... I think the expense bills should be cut by 3/4

If they have to have an official dinner, let them order from pizza hut or McD's and have a bud instead of expensive wines, etc.

That's a few million saved each year at least.

anastasia: Good point.... after all, it is all our money, both what the congress makes and what they are planning on giving away to the auto....

I mean, since we just bailed out the banks, cant we make them give loans to the autos?

Sure its always them , can't they just shut shut up and go to work? of course companys will pay them fairly , and treat them right without being forced to,they won't make them work in dangerous unsafe conditions,just like they won't pollute the environment, we don't need those unions, nooooo, not today. all they do is interfere.Its the reason these companies are in trouble, not because they didn't modernize and restructure,

(V): yes to what you are saying....what is it called...Pork Barrel Spending??
What the government spends money on is just obsurd.....I once saw a report...no kidding,I couldn't make this one up...they were spending money to study the flow rate of ketchup......OMG,what can even be said to THAT one!?

Czuch: yep,it is our money and boy how they love to spend it on stuff,huh??!!

Can't these companies just go somewhere where there are no unions and child labor laws and environmental laws?? like India, Indonesia, Mexico???maybe then they could pay workers a dollar a day and still charge $100, for a pair of sneakers

Charles Martel: don't alot of them ALREADY do that??