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Well AD.... sorry to see you scared all the liberals away when I was gone for a few hours.
The thing they just wont seem to admit, and the reason they cant hang with the big dogs in any kind of debate, is that liberalism isnt built around logic, its built around "feelings" and "compassion", for which there are no logical end.
We can debate to no end, and without ever running away, because our ideals are based in logic instead of emotion, and in the end, that is what will eventually win any debate!
Czuch: I agree with that. And this: "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain" -- Winston Churchill