Clever, thats crappy that you have to keep waiting on him like that. Sounds like a silly mind game to me, but as the old saying goes "small things amuse small minds". Lets hope your opponent see's this gripe about the topic and keeps to the game at hand.

"I believe this is really unfair to the unpaid players who play there games regularly -"

how can anything possible be unfair to the unpaid members? They aren't PAYING anything. That they get anything at all sounds very fair to me.

Again, if the tournamnet limitations are that much of a problem for a non-paying member, there is a simple solution.......

Yet, for whatever reason, non-paying members are under some delusion that all their inconviences should be alleviated.

I'm not sure why your always so down on non paying members, I'm sure they dont all feel that way, we were all one once. From a business standpoint its smart to give non paying members the best service possible to entice them into becoming paying members so they may enjoy the enhanced service and priviledges that come with membership. Thats what helped me decide to become a member.

TTJazzberry, I find your statements objectionable. First of all, I have made it very clear why I am down on non paying members, haven't you read anything I have written? They are paying nothing yet thye want their inconveniences alleviated or eliminated.

You are correct, BIg Bad wolf was discussing this, but it is the NON PAYING members who actually complain about it, since they are the ones affected.

Your statement that "we were all non paying members once" is just ridiculous. SO WHAT???????

WHat does that have to do with ANYTIHNG? For starters, I was a non paying member for about three days, at which time I paid for a membership, so I am not sure what your point is there. Additionally, when I was a non paying member, I did not write to Fencer or make posts on the message boards saying "Hey, I am not paying you anything, but I have a problem with X y and Z that I would like you to resolve."

Now, on to your next comment:

"From a business standpoint its smart to give non paying members the best service possible to entice them into becoming paying members."

I can only hope you are joking here, because this statement is asinine. If you give the NON PAYING members the BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE, then they would be getting better service than the PAYING members! WHY would you give those who pay NOTIHNG the BEST service possible? Maybe you can explain to me, FROM A BUSINESS standpoint (since you used that term) WHY anyone who is already getting the "best service possible" would consider paying for a membership?

I think the best way to entice people to get a membership is to give them a taste, but not the entire meal.

Non paying members get PLENTY. thye can play 20 games. they can enter a tournament. they can participate on the message boards.

What exactly is the problem? That isn't enough value for the cost of NOTHING that they are paying? Why should they get anything more? Why would that make them become PAYING members?????

The whole POINT of becoming a paying member is that you DON'T have to deal with these issues! If the existence of these "problems" are not enough to entice someone to pay up, WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE PAY UP AFTER being GIVEN what the paying members all had to PAY to receive?

The people who aren't paying for memberships but are asking for more features are CHEAP. It has not been my experience that a cheapskate stops being a cheapskate when you give him more than you are already giving him.

Obviously my last statement is oging to elicit responses of "some people can't afford a membership."

Save it, because we all know that's a load of crap. The non paying members choose to spend their money on other things that they obviously deem more important, yet they want to have similar benefits to those of us who have deicded that a membership is what we would rather spend our money on.

Yes I have read what you said, I just dont agree with your point of view. You said "Your statement that "we were all non paying members once" is just ridiculous. SO WHAT???????
WHat does that have to do with ANYTIHNG? . Again you have to resort to describing someones statements as "rediculous" when you dont agree instead of merely putting your side forth in a polite manner, but I'm used to your debating style by now so like water off a duck anyway. To answer your question, it has to do with EVERYTHING!, you see if you treat them right they may become paying members. There are many people who take the site for a test drive for a while before deciding, so you cant assume they will all join within 3 days like yourself.

On my other point you obviously misinterpreted what I meant, and maybe I didnt elaborate enough. By giving non paying members the best service possible I didnt say anywhere that they should recieve the "same" or "better" service as paying members, I merely meant they should get as good as service possible given their non paying status in order to entice them into paying for the enhanced service.

I still maintain there are people out there who can not afford to spend part of what little money they may have on a games site, but I know from your previous postings you dont agree so I'll leave it at that, but to blanket them all as "cheapskates" is totally off as far as I'm concerned, whether they post or not. Then you have the nerve to call my comment "asinine"...go figure, again I'm used to your debating and I guess I'm fortunate not to be called a moron once more.

TTJazzberry-- apparently you have difficult with reading comprehension. I called ONE of your comments "asinine," yet you spoke as if I called ALL your stetements asinine.

If you take it as such an insult to have your comment referred to as asinine, then don't make asinine comments.

The fact is, you said "Remember, we were all non paying members at some point" as if it actually means anytihng, whne it clearly does not mean anything!

That wasn't even the statement I called asinine though (although I should have). No, theasinine statement of yours was that the non paying members should be given "the best service possible." You derided my understanding of business, yet you failed to explain why anyone would PAY for a membership if they are given everything for free.

Please enlighten me.

BY the way, the reason I did not call you a "moron" is I do not wish to engage in childish name calling. Calling someone names is a weak debating tactic. On theo ther hand, there is nothing wrong with taking issue with a particular STATEMENT that someone makes, wihch is what I did-- I attacked the STATEMENTS, not the PERSON.

My debating tactics are to opitn out how asburd some of the ocmments people make are, and then I defend my position with facts and logical arguments. It is a pity you feel the need to attakc this method of debating, although it does not surprise me, as the trend on this board is for people to utter mindless drivel asuch as "Remember, we were non-paying members once!" as if they have any meaning.