I wonder if he's waving hello or goodbye?

mrloupcity:

That was not the purpose of the intellectual property rights that most game manufactures apply for. Sure, we see Battleship as a great game that has had millions of sales, but what was the demand for this game before it was introduced?

The idea behind patents and copyrights is to protect the product through its initial stages of growth. Once it has become 'branded' because it is so popular, then the law is relaxed a bit.

The beauty of this approach is easy to appreciate. If I a product is successful, then it "gets so big" that once the patent expires, the main company will not be hurt by imitations and copies.

If the company was not successful, very few, if any, will follow in their footsteps.

Intellectual property rights are similar to "staking your claim" when you found gold in 1849. You register the area of land you are mining, pay some nomial fee per square foot, you demonstrate the chunk of land is not so big that you can't handle it, then you can mine at your leisure and not have to worry about someone removing ore from your site.

mrloupcity:
5 or 6 years ago, the musicians union in the US. tried to have laws changed so that bands would have to pay royalties for playing cover tunes at such places as bars, weddings, hotels,etc.. It failed.

mrloupcity: I think also by changing the name. Sites can legally avoid the lawsuits.

I know prescription drug companies.. when they first come out with a drug.. such as Tylenol.. it was not allowed to be copied for like 20 years.. then after that time.. other drug manufacturers are allowed to create the generic.. Or something like that.. it has something to do with the manufacturer and the brand name..

Anyway.. back to my point.. I think that is how it is with most patents.. and BattleShip has been around for much longer than 20 years..

Different patents though could have different time frames.. so don't quote me.. just finished doing my homework and it is 3am.. so mind is a bit fuzzy.. besides, my one text book about the prescription drugs and patents.. is down at my parents motel .. hehe.. my mom wanted to read through it..

mrloupcity: Sure, if they want to waste their money for nothing :-)

If it was that big of deal, don't U think Parker Brothers would have a laws suit againest every turn base site or yahoo and msn. For people not asking if it was ok to put Battle Ship on there site. And other games they make, for some reason I don't think they really want to get into it all and it also helps them sell more of their games in stores. Ok said peace. TYVM all
:o{P

Chessmaster1000: that info is very helpful.. :)

And if you set a BKR between 1800 to 2000 only these people having this, would see your games. Nobody else. It's not like i thought at first, that all people could see but only these with 1800-2000 would be able to play........

for such a quick responce.. :)

I made the second answer.

No, sorry. I looked at the wrong numbers. There was no one second answer

one second for who to answer?

I'm impressed. ONE second for the answer

only someone who can accept the games can see them. You can't play against yourself, so you don't see them. log on as guest to see all games

One never sees one's own games.

ScarletRose: You wont see them in the waiting games room Scarlet. Inviters can only see thier new games on the bottom of the game page.

I created some games of Hyper Backgammon.. they show up at the bottom of my game page.. however, when I go look for them in the "Waiting Games" I don't see them anywhere on the list.. Did I not create the games correctly?

EIHN: Fencer I know this subjects closed but I'm putting my Two cents worth in. This is a foreine gamesite and Fencer does not have to go by American standards on this site. EIHN..if you hate it so much why don't yleave and offer your membership to someone else? OPPS I forgot she is bannewd LOL

*nod* and while its allowed to drink alcoholics in most places .. it wont be allowed in kindergarten .. or on meetings of the AA ;)

also, I might add, that she has no idea what the word public means. If you think that being in a public park allows you to strip off all your clothes and run naked through just because it's "public", then you clearly just don't get it. Public means, both for BK and for parks etc., that anyone is allowed in, so long as they follow PUBLIC RULES as well. It's such a simple concept. This is not the land of do-as-you-please, public or private. Every place on this planet has rules, so I guess according to you, there are no public places on Earth?

Sorry Fencer, we must have acted at the same time, I deleted her post and banned her.

That's enough, I can be very patient but nobody will call my site like this. You are banned from all boards until you learn how to behave.

Oh dear. Some people just don't want to accept the simplest facts. Once again:

1) All non-fellowship boards are public.
2) Each board follows the general rules described in the User Agreement.
3) The main moderator of a board has a right to define additional rules for the board.
4) Who doesn't want to follow the rules, is logically banned.

That's how it works and that's how it will work because this is my site and I said so. Ridiculous notions about Civil Rights, Freedom and Democracy and similar things are pointless.

I disagree, they are open to the public making them public boards. But they still have rules to them, and by coming and playing on this site you agree to follow the rules of the site as per the user agreement.

Nightstorm: If Fencer chooses to run his website with any rules he wishes to create,
that is fine.
However, he should not state that the boards are in ANY way 'PUBLIC' -- Otherwise, that can be construed as False Advertising and Fraud.

No the real issue here is that this is Fencers site to run how he choses. People are aloowed to post anything as long as it is within the rules of the site. You choose to not accept this fact.

It's NOBODY'S business who paid for my Membership, but me.

Secondly, the REAL issue it seems to be on this website is not necessarily the 'lyric thing', but moreover a larger issue -- Public vs. Private -- Suuurrre, anyone can post anything they want in a Private fellowship board. However, when it comes to Public boards, certainly Public Law has to come into play. The American Copyright Law is pretty much the World-standard, is it not?

If someone would like to argue that, I'd like to ask, what is the alternative to the US Library of Congress Copyright Office Laws?

And if we agree that this is a non-issue, then why all the hub-bub? Why can't people just enjoy the Public Boards without being harassed and censored when they do not 'spam', 'bait' or 'flame'?

EIHN, your post just goes to show you can't make everyone happy. Yes, people get censored and deleted here. Lots. The simple reason is that the discussion boards are popular and people express themselves a lot. One reason is that one of the most active members is a 9-year old girl who frequents the discussion boards. There are, however, private boards with no censorship WHATSOEVER. I have seen mods themselves have their posts deleted, so it doesn't appear that they are violating their own rules by showing preferential treatment to each other. And about song lyrics, it's certainly a grey issue. Whatever a US board of justice may have said is totally irrevelant in practical terms to this non-US site. If you start your own fellowship, you can pretty much post anything you want on there. So it is not arbitrary, as you put it, because ALL members are not allowed to post lyrics on the board you're referring to. Arbitrary implies that only certain members, without rhyme or reason, are being discriminated against. I do not see this happening. As a game site, song lyrics is your biggest beef?

I didn't pay for my own membership either. But after reading your post I guess you really can look a gift horse in the mouth!

No one's destroyed your civil rights or freedom. You have the freedom to leave. Private establishments can temporarily suspend certain civil rights, such as discrimination, as Hooters proved by winning their case against having to hire men as waiters/waitresses. But again, that has nothing to do with this site. It's Fencer's site, and he can do as he please. And I think he's done a great job.

Fencer:
I'm 'enery the Eighth, I am
'enery the Eighth I am, I am
I got married to the widow next door
She's been married seven times before
And every time it was an 'enery, 'enery!...

  I'm not what you think I am. And if it be your pleasure to silence me, so be it. However, you cannot destroy Civil Rights, Freedom and Democracy with an edict.

                 Beware of the 'bad press'...

EIHN: *sigh* starting again ? didnt we talk this over ? want to continue the talk where we left it ?

hmm a thought occured to me .. do you have me on hide ?

EIHN: It's funny to see that 95% of similar complaints come either from pawns or members who were given the membership by someone else. Normally I don't react to something like your post. However, there is one thing I would like to say - I feel sorry for the person who was so kind and paid for your membership because it was obviously a wrong thing. If this is your way how to show a gratitude, you should rather go elsewhere and never come back.

EIHN: Perhaps Im wrong, but what or who gives you the right to denigrate and undermine the owners of this site.....May I ask...Did you personally pay for your membership? or get it given to you, or god help us..win it???

I would suggest to you that considering your anti views of BrainKing.com that you relinquish your membership and donate it to a pawn of Fencer's choice.

I can only see that you are trying to disrupt the operations of this site and under those circumstances perhaps Fencer should Ban you :)

It has been done before and no doubt it will be done again LOLOL

Hey Pawns,

  Do you want to spend your money on this?...

Paying Membership to this site is not a good idea because:

The people who run this place (BrainKing.com) violate their own rules, i.e. They will harass you, censor you by deleting/hiding your posts, 'bait' you into arguments, and more or less commit transgressions of all sorts.

Also, there has recently been a controversy about posting your favorite song lyrics. The US Copyright Law states that it IS Legal to post lyrics/poems/jokes/stories on discussion boards -- If it is for non-profit and educational purposes only.

The User Agreement doesn't even mention this lyric posting 'rule'. But for some odd reason, some people on this website appoint themselves as 'Judge-Jury-God', and continue to inflict Arbitrary Aristocratic Censorship upon anyone who disagrees with them.
And even if you're a paying member, you'd better get used to this kind of treatment.

So, make sure to consider all of this before you spend your hard-earned bucks here, and watch out...

The Agenda should be 'Fair Use'. And if the so-called owner of this website chooses to ignore the 'Public' law, they should state it up front for ALL to see. To that, I whole-heartedly agree. (At the risk of rhyming )

When they publically state their intention of making this a 'Privately Owned', and therefore, a 'Privately Dictatorial' website -- Then I shall tell everyone to enjoy it as is.

               ~ E I H N

1) 12 2) 40 3) Be3 solution given on Jan. 23

Spirou: thanks

furbster: Shogi may be compared by and large with Loop chess, due the possibilty to drop pawns and pieces already captured (they say "in hand").

volant: Chinese chess is also an interesting oriental variant of chess. But I don't yet play it, sorry.

Is that anything like Chinese Chess?

Japanese Chess.

what exactly is shogi?

Shogi also has lots of variants, so once the basic game is set up we should be well away.

Dear Brainking members,

Our webmaster Mr Fencer is planning to program shogi before the end of this year.

That programming is not an easy task, I am afraid. I think all of us interested in shogi could write a little word in order to boost his motivation (if necessary).

For those who ignore what is shogi, I suggest you take an eye on a Habu's interview. Mr Habu is one of the greatest shogi player of the moment and already an IM at chess!:
>http://www.shogi.net/chessbase-habu.html

You will read that shogi is not a slow, snoothing game at all but a fierce race to mate your opponent.

I am fine, thanks.

red dragon: NO i dont think so...after the first move on any given turn the messages then show up.....besides this person invited ME to a game not viccy verkky LOLOL

You could be on their enemies list?

on opening a game with some one...there isnt evidence of any messages until after my first turn and then all message for that game appear...it is disconcerting in as much as I dont know if Im being ignored or what... (prolly ignored)...anyone else?

Fencer...how is the health?

BIG BAD WOLF: thank you for clearing that up for me

Fiona: The games continue - there have already been a few fellowships deleted in current team tournaments.

i was wondering - if you deleted a fellowship that was involved in a team tournament - what happens to the games, do they just carry on til it finishes or do they get deleted too?