Artful Dodger: There is an old saying that those who refuse to look back at events will carry on making the same mistakes.

And Sarah Palin is making about $100k per speech. Good money for a failed vice presidential candidate who left her job as a governor over (from what I hear) using her position for personal agenda's...

That there are complaints from GOP supporters who don't like the idea of shelling out over $500 to see her speak.

Maybe she has worn out her dresses from the campaign days... Or maybe she is just greedy

Tuesday: Whatever happened to being there to support your political base. Having buckets so people can put in what they can afford. In these days of recession and pay cuts/freezes creaming supporters is just bad form and damn right money grabbing selfishness.

Artful Dodger: So, lets play a level field. Don't moan at the likes of Al Gore making money and I won't pick up on detail (that you missed to report) on Sarah Plain's big fees.

And FYI, it's not just liberals here who scorn Palin, but Labour and Conservative supporters alike.

And yes Al Gore brought to the forefront Global warming, something right wing Repub's don't like. Maybe another dust bowl we get the message through

You do remember that don't you.. over intensive farming causing entire farmland regions to be destroyed. A fine example of mankinds impact on the earth.

Artful Dodger: And what is happening to the pockets of the anti-global warming crowd. I see many books being written and speeches etc. Guess both sides of the extreme wings are making money. That is life... Bible bashers, celebs etc all do it. Best to make a buck now till the next 'in thing' comes to play.

And why do you just hark on about the extremists? Some of the middle roaders are just listening and using the sensible ideas. Recycle more, more insulation, grow your own. Allotments here have gone from being underused to now have waiting lists.

And new schemes such as microgeneration are more widely available. Such is.. that it might be that you'll find that the energy companies will owe you money at the end of the year.

Artful Dodger: Good. But you can understand (maybe) that you come across as an anti alarmist alarmist.

Unfortunately not everyone in business agrees with keep it clean. Just the trend is to move dirty manufacturing jobs to the developing world.

Artful Dodger: No, just the impact and effect are still.. debatable. Cooling.. I heard that in the film "the day after tomorrow".. where the destabilisation of a sea current from the dumping of fresh water from the polar ice. Accuracy.. unknown to me. Without reading much sites I won't say it's right or wrong. It's in a box waiting info.

As to scepticism.. I agree, read.. but don't trust either side.. BOTH sides are making money from it. Businesses who will lose money from having to be greener and are lobbying government should not be trusted either.

I must say that you cannot deny we have had effect on our environment. Acid rain.. Nuclear reactors melting down leaving areas of land no go and our sheep designated "kill, to radioactive for human consumption." Smog.. LA had/has a problem with that.

My point is.. rather then moan about what they all are saying, do some research. Not just from anti GW sites, but from all to understand why they are saying it.

Artful Dodger: Rubbish, the % effect is the debate. I mean.. CFC's. Do you doubt the problem they were having on the ozone layer, or the time limit on how long we had to change our ways?

Artful Dodger: Sorry, I question at my speed, not at the speed of XY & Z.

And at the last count in my analysis, it was the level of effect of man-made pollutants.

Regardless of being "current" or not any effect is going to remain the same unless actual physical changes are made.