(V):  Glen Beck doesn't play the race card.  I doubt you really understand what that even means.

(V):   I back up my "they are idiots" with facts and logical arguments.  Dismissing someone as an "idiot" but offering no reason is name calling.   Case in point:  A leading "idiot" democrat was quoted as saying that he didn't read the bills he voted for because they are a: too many pages; and b: too difficult to understand.

They guy's an idiot.  Do the math.  He's voting YES on bills he's NEVER READ and he justifies never reading those bills saying they are too difficult to understand.

BTW, they are idiots on both sides of the isle.  In the final analysis, Bush was an idiot.  Why?  He violated nearly every Conservative principle.  He's responsible for the huge government as it started with him.  Huge government systems spell fraud, incompetence, waste, and inefficiency.  

You'd have to be an idiot not to see the difference. 

Übergeek 바둑이:  All nonsense.  Beck doesn't like Obama's policies.   Obama's being black has nothing to do with it.  You play the race card and I've no respect for that.

You have to be blind to suggest Van Jones was "smeared."  HOW exactly did Beck accomplish this?  All Beck did was to quote Van Jones, play tapes of Van Jones's own speeches and ask questions. 

You don't have your facts straight about ACORN.  There is no doctored video.  You have no evidence of that.  You are just parroting some nonsense you've read.  You will see.  ACORN will lose in this suit.  Odd that for a doctored video all the people involved on ACORN's side were fired by ACORN. 

Get your facts straight.  ACORN has been caught in election fraud, over 30 of their people have been charged in election fraud, one of it's founders is now under investigation for embezzlement, and on more than one occasion, ACORN officials assisted in getting housing for the sole purpose of under age prostitution.

Wise up.

(V):  Nonsense.  It's name calling.  People who have a problem with Beck always resort to name calling.  They rarely offer rational reasons as to why they disagree with his positions.  Name calling, sarcasm, mocking, those are the trademark responses of Beck's opponents when they can offer no real counter argument. 

(V):   People like theatrics.  It would be boring to watch Beck if he didn't get a bit theatrical at times.  But there's a message in his madness.  He is brilliant.  Calling him names reflects on you, not him.

(V):   Yeah, that must explain why Fox is number one in every time slot and burries the other new outlets.  Oh, and it must also take an idiot to uncover corruption and bring it to the attention of the American public.  Because that's what Beck has done.  And what about the other networks?  Silence.  Even cover-ups. 

(V):  We're all opinionated. 

Pedro Martínez:  Glen Beck is my hero. 

(V):  lol, they clearly aren't working together.   But I do like what Jay Leno suggested.   After hearing that a Republican yelled out "You lie!" during an Obama speech, Leno said, "Well, at least the two sides are talking to each other." 


Who cares about Bush?  Obama is the Prez. 

Obama's health care plan is now at it's lowest level of approval.  His little bump didn't last.  And finally he spoke up regarding Acorn.  I'll bet some of the Dems try to save that corrupt organization.  I hope it goes the way of the dinosaur.  

 Bwild:

Pedro Martínez:

Is Sweden too liberal and has their policies advanced their society or cause more problems than they are worth? 

I just heard the public option is out.  

(V):  An idea or a concept is not the same as detailing one's plan. 

(V):
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Hey, here's an idea.  How about you explain PRECISELY those details.  Remember, I said DETAILS.  Not theory. Not sound bites.  No general concepts.  DETAILS.

(V):  No.  Obama's bait and switch has to do with the whole package he presented and not just his health care idea. 

Obama said (as far as I read) that he would work towards reducing
Healthcare costs by about $2.5K.

But he hasn't detailed how that will happen.  It's just a theory now.  And likely it will cost the US taxpayer tons.  The government never has run a public service well. 

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healthcare more competitive, cutting down on fraud,

Yeah.  One has to wonder why now?  Congress has allowed the fraud to go on and on and now they are going to fix it?   Guess they were saving that one for a rainy day.

(V):  It's not surprising that a high percentage of Democrats favor his "plan."   And it's true that he's clarified some of his ideas in his speech (which I DID watch in full).  Still, there are many unanswered question.  But back to your original claim.  You suggested that people ought not to be surprised with what Obama is doing as president because they knew of these things since he explained them in his campaign.  It's your assertion that's in dispute and others have said you were wrong in your analysis.  Obama didn't clarify anything in his pre-election speeches.  Few knew what he stood for.  It's becoming clear now that Obama wants to fundamentally change America.  That's why people are going crazy.  The budget experts are telling us (the people) that Obama's plans will only raise taxes and increase the deficit by billions (if not trillions).  There's no other way it can be paid for.  Obama can't explain how this will all work other than to speak in generalities and ambiguities.  

BTW, the polls show him losing ground, not gaining it.

Jules, Obama didn't ever really outline the details of his plan.  He gave some general ideas and revealed his "big picture" but not the details.  Many questions have gone unanswered.

Also, Obama was put in the White House by the Independents.  Those same people are now scratching their heads because they are beginning to see the clear descrepencys between what was pre-election promises and post-election reality.  It's not the Right that's opposing his health care ideas, it's the Right, AND the Middle and those folks include many in his own party.

(V):"So in fact.. he was elected on the outline of his plans,"

You are wrong once again.  He did NOT have any such plan in place when campaigning.  Just typical election sound bites.  

(V):  Yes I listened to his speech.  And keep in mind that he's been in office more than 200 days.  More than enough time to have already clearly outlined his plan.  He still hasn't.  He hasn't outlined how it's actually going to be paid for or how it will look logistically.  He speaks in sound bites.  A speech is fine, but there IS NO WRITTEN PLAN to examine.   Obama wants to build the airplane after it's taken off.

Jim Dandy:  Without Fox we wouldn't have leaned the truth about Acorn because the other networks ignored the story.  Now it looks like the Census bureau has severed all ties with that corrupt organization.  It will all unravel for them soon enough, thanks to Fox. 

Also with Fox, we couldn't see Barney Frank and O'Reilly have a shouting match or see Glen Beck cry.  And all them smart blonds on Fox....Megan Kelly especially.  lol  

Jim Dandy:  With google, research is a click away.  Oh and Fox has a great search database too. ;p)

Now all we need is a topic. 

Jim Dandy:  I like home field advantage.

Jim Dandy:  Well, someone else will have to start it  ;)

Jim Dandy: I have no interest in discussing Swedish politics.  But if you can find others that want to discuss it with you, suits me. 

V:  Like all Presidents, Obama was elected because people like him personally and like the policies he outlines.  However, Obama was elected on more myth than on substance.  He NEVER fully defined his presidency.  Contrary to your assertion, Obama NEVER clearly stated his policies.  And he certainly NEVER outlined his plan for health care.  Obama is the master of ambiguity.   He still hasn't clearly defined his health care plan.  Even members of his own party have different ideas.   For example, Obama says that the goal is NOT a single payer system.  But key democrats say that a government option IS THE LOGICAL STEPPING STONE to a single payer system.   He did not campaign on the single payer option.  In fact, Obama campaigned as a centrist.  He's governing to the left -farther left than his centrist democratic colleagues.  So in fact, obama  was NOT ELECTED by the people of America on the basis of his policies as stated before the election.

(V): Your ignorance on American politics is showing again.  You are 100% wrong, once again.  You're so uninformed it's not even worth arguing over.  It's enough to know that you are basically clueless on American politics and clearly you don't understand the US mindset.

(V):  Ummmm, standing ovations?   Did you not see that half the room wasn't standing?   The left stood up at every turn.   Stupid little puppets.

Ferris Bueller: The Republicans aren't destroying this president.  He's doing that all by himself.  The polls show it all.

(V):Translation:  "Now that I've really messed things up and alienated the middle and the right, I'm going to say a few things that will distract from my incompetency and make my opposition look bad.  We liberals are very good at blaming others. Most will see through this ploy but the left will stand up and walk lock step with whatever I say or do. "

Czuch:  Obama will get something but this whole thing will undo his Presidency.  It's in the cards. ;)

Vikings:  that's a good name for her! 

Vikings:  I just wanna smack the smile off the Speaker's plastic face.  She's such a two-face lying hypocrite. 

I predict that many points in his speech will go over ok but other points will backfire.  Never threaten the people you want on your side.  Big mistake.

Czuch:   With Obama, it's small steps to his indoctrination ideas.  The parents objected to the followup questions suggested by the White House.  Even so, most people no longer trust the White House and view what ever they do with suspecion.  Tonight is Obamas make it or break it moment.  I say he breaks it. 

The government wants single payer insurance - that IS the goal

they lie through their false teeth.

Universal Eyes:    A complete cut and paste.  How about using your own words?  Either that or just provide a link.

(V):  you aren't very well versed in Us politics or its history.   All the experts agree that the efforts to counter the effects of the depression actually prolonged it.

(V):  It doesn't matter according to you but you're no expert so I'll dismiss your comments on that score.

and the progressive movement has been rejected ever since it's inception.  People don't lean left here, they are mostly centrist.  Obama hasn't figured this out yet because he's surrounded himself with far left loonie progressives.  He's a lame duck already.

(V):   In just a few months Obama has managed to increase the crisis he "inherited" and he's on his way to making it worse.  History shows that his ideas are NOT new and they've failed in the past.  Obama is a fish out of water.  He has no plan.  Only ideas.  And he doesn't have a clue as to how to impliment them.

GTCharlie:  Obama will go down in history as one of the most incompetent and dishonest presidents ever in US politics.

Pedro Martínez:

(V):  I would have told you that you were nuts for that last comment.  But ya learn something new everyday.   I can't believe how close they were at developing this bomber.  Like decades ahead of the game it seems.  Here are pics of an exact replica:

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(V): Access may be a fundamental right to every human being but free care isn't.

(V): Gee, I looked at all my previous posts on this topic and I can't find any posts where I asked that.  Maybe you could point it out for me.

(V): The purple dinosaur.

(V):I don't have to live without it.  I earn it.   Myself.  It's called personal responsibility. 

Ferris Bueller:  Health care is not a right.   And no one here has said it's a privileged.   I have health care because I work for it.  I put myself through school.  I paid my own way.  I made the decision to go to school, get a degree, and I worked hard to afford it.  Health care is a responsibility.  

Czuch:  I'd say no to that.  It's no more a right than one has the "right" to a free home and free electricity.  How about free cars too?  Can't get to work without a car.  For that matter, everyone deserves a job too.  Even lazy do nothings! 

Those that can say yes to the above don't think straight in my view.  Hard work gets all of those things.  I grew up in a family of 9 and the only thing that was ever handed to me was a mop to clean up and my brothers old clothes. 

Bernice: Yeah but my font is bigger!