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18. Juillet 2010, 21:09:22
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
(V): Canada too

18. Juillet 2010, 21:08:45
The Col 
Sujet: Re: IWilliams letter was NOT racist
Tuesday: maybe we should look at the definition of "racist".............I'm too lazy to look it up

18. Juillet 2010, 21:07:36
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: It is in the UK.. a criminal offence. The police would be charging him.. no need for civil action.

18. Juillet 2010, 21:06:01
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Currently in the news written by a black man who DOES attend the Tea Party Events. (and is a regular speaker there)
July 18, 2010
Tea Partiers Easily Put On The Defensive. Stop it!
Lloyd Marcus
It is truly unfortunate that some on our side are so easily put on the defensive. NAACP President Ben Jealous slandered millions of decent Tea Party patriots by saying we tolerate racists' signs. We do not. Not one liberal mainstream media outlet demand that Jealous produce the "Lynch Barack Obama" and "Lynch Eric Holder" signs he claimed to have seen. Thus, the liberal media are saying these violent racist signs exist and the tea partiers are guilty simply because Jealous says so.

Furthering their efforts to discredit the tea party movement by portraying them as racist, the liberal media attacked our Mark Williams for a satirical comment on his blog. Mark is a personal friend who is not a racist; far from it. On his blog, Mark was making a point about the blatant hypocrisy and backwardness of the NAACP.

Meanwhile, the liberal media typically ignores "real racism" coming from the left. A member of the New Black Panther Party boldly proclaimed he hates crackers (white people) and they need to "kill more crackers". Has the liberal media confronted the NAACP about denouncing the New Black Panthers' hate-filled racist statement? No, they have not.

And yet, folks on our side ran to the microphones to denounce Mark Williams and Tea Party Express, which is the most effective, ethical and powerful conservative voice of We The People. Dear Lord! People, wake up and smell the liberal media manipulation!

News Flash! The liberal mainstream media vehemently desire to "crush" the Tea Party Movement. They want us to fail! It is foolish to pander to our enemy. The liberal media will distort, lie and do whatever to divide and conquer us. Brothers and sisters, we can not fall for it. God bless.

18. Juillet 2010, 21:04:01
Mort 
If Mark Williams had made his comments in the UK. He'd be charged with Racism and/or racist comments.

18. Juillet 2010, 21:02:33
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: IWilliams letter was NOT racist
Tuesday: Yes go ahead. YOu said you wanted to analize who is racist. And the people who cry and cry are mostly on the left.

18. Juillet 2010, 21:02:25
The Col 
Sujet: Re: IWilliams letter was NOT racist
I am Weasel:" Don't have to do that. It's my opinion"

keep that in mind the next time you ask for proof

18. Juillet 2010, 20:57:01
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Let's analyze the ppl crying racism. All of them.
Tuesday: Go ahead.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:56:30
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: IWilliams letter was NOT racist
Jim Dandy: Don't have to do that. It's my opinion. Maybe his letter is reflective of a man who really has racist beliefs. I don't know. But reading that letter, I don't see racism. I see something else.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:54:57
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Ohoh, Climategate has some casualties.
DoE Suspends Funds to CRU Crew
Clarice Feldman
While the press had largely satisfied itself that the internal whitewash of the Hadley CRU climategate email scandal settles the matter, the U.S. Department of Energy seems to be saying, "Not so fast."

The American government has suspended its funding of the University of East Anglia's climate research unit (CRU), citing the scientific doubts raised by last November's leak of hundreds of stolen emails.

The US Department of Energy (DoE) was one of the unit's main sources of funding for its work assembling a database of global temperatures.

It has supported the CRU financially since 1990 and gives the unit about £131,000 ($200,000 USD) a year on a rolling three-year contract.

This should have been renewed automatically in April, but the department has suspended all payments since May pending a scientific peer review of the unit's work.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:53:23
The Col 
Sujet: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
I am Weasel:" Williams letter was NOT racist"

prove it

18. Juillet 2010, 20:53:11
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Fox News will beat a topic to death if it's against the other party.
Tuesday: You can't know how I watch it. That's impossible. Why make statements you can't possible know if they are true or not.

This particular topic is in the CURRENT news. And it has been for many months now. AND it has been initiated by the LEFT. So there.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:46:06
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Fox News will beat a topic to death if it's against the other party.
Tuesday: That's not proof.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:42:59
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Fox News will beat a topic to death if it's against the other party.
Tuesday: Just your opinion unless you have plenty of facts to back up your claim.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:42:04
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
Tuesday: I'm speaking more of the leadership of the Democratic party (historically) but today, the far left uses race all the time. They look for opportunities (or as I have shown, they manufacture them) to accuse the opposition of racism. That's why the topic is important. One, to understand the roots of racism in the political parties; to be honest about it; and to call it what it is when confronted with it today.

Williams letter was NOT racist. Poor judgment, insulting, offensive. But let's NOT cheapen the meaning of racism by assigning every little thing we object to as racist. That kind of behavior IS racist. When one uses race as a club (as the far left does) they are acting racist. When someone quotes LBJ for using the "N" word, they are NOT racist (as I have been called by you and a few others here). You yourself are guilty seizing an opportunity to play the race card. It's nonsense. Racism is a particular thing and not just anything you think it is. It's not racist to say Obama is articulate. Some on the left have made this claim. It's not racist to oppose Obama. MANY on the left make this claim.

The NAACP is playing the race card. They are a racist organization. Why? Imagine a white organization that seeks only to promote the white race. That's racism.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:32:22
Mort 
modifié par Mort (18. Juillet 2010, 20:35:27)
A national leader of the conservative Tea Party movement has been strongly criticized by Islamic civil rights leaders for referring to the proposed site of a New York City mosque as a place for Muslims to worship "the terrorists' monkey-god."

Tea Party Express organizer Mark Williams blogged on his Web site last week that the mosque - to be constructed near the former site of the World Trade Center - would be a "monument ... for the worship of the terrorists' monkey-god and a 'cultural center' to propagandize for the extermination of all things not approved by their cult."

Williams, who also referred to "animals of Allah," was rebuked Thursday by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The group issued a release Wednesday calling on other Tea Party activists to repudiate Williams' remarks.

"It would be shocking if such ignorant comments failed to elicit a strong response not only from Tea Party leaders, but from other parties throughout the political spectrum," CAIR National Legislative Director Corey Saylor said.

For his part, Williams was unapologetic toward Muslims.

"In the course of the article I described the 'god' worshiped by terrorists as 'a monkey god,'" he wrote on his Web site. "I was wrong and that was offensive. I owe an apology to millions of Hindus who worship Lord Hanuman, an actual Monkey God."

Hanuman is known to followers of the Hindu faith as a symbol of strength and devotion, among other things.

Hanuman "is known as a destroyer of evil and to inspire and liberate," Williams said. "Those are hardly the traits of whatever ... it is that terrorists worship and worthy of my respect and admiration not ridicule."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/20/islamic-leaders-decry-tea-party-reference-to-muslim-monkey-god/?fbid=oZKl-S5T2np

18. Juillet 2010, 20:28:34
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: This reminds me of The Canadian reform party, when they cleaned up their image
Jim Dandy: Williams was likely necessary collateral. Just as well. In this racially sensitive time, one has to be very careful what one says. I remember when someone said of Obama that he was articulate and the blacks got their undies in a tizzy crying "What? A black man can't be articulate?" It didn't matter that such things have been said of others.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:27:49
The Col 
Sujet: Re:racist? I don't think he said it with malice, but it was a different time
I am Weasel: ok to be racist? I think that depends on ones opinion, I personally don't find it ok.Certain words did take awhile to be deemed politically incorrect though.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:25:35
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
Tuesday: The reason it's been pounded to pieces is because you on the left refuse to accept that your party was born out of racism. It promoted, supported, and profited from racism. And they are still using race today to further their ideology. Whatever it takes, the left will do.

It's also CURRENT in the news. Don't like the topic? Don't read it or respond.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:25:00
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: I don't buy it.You are saying that all the signage and other such things are left wing plants?

18. Juillet 2010, 20:23:28
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: All of the white racists flocked to the Republican Party in droves.
Ferris Bueller: I'll bet you money you can't prove this. Other than anecdotally.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:22:13
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re:racist? I don't think he said it with malice, but it was a different time
Jim Dandy: ?? It was ok to be racist in the sixties? Slavery was a different time too. But it was still an evil practice.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:21:07
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I wouldn't go as far as to say there aren't racists in the whole bunch. But what there isn't is a pattern of racism in the group. There are no signs people carry that promote racist ideas. And where there are problems, they are weeded out. And keep in mind that the left was so eager to find racism in their ranks of the tea party, but couldn't, that they manufactured it. It's documented. On video. The left, posing as tea party participants and the LEFT making racial slurs. It didn't work. But it does go to show just how dishonest the left has become.

18. Juillet 2010, 20:11:10
The Col 
Sujet: This reminds me of The Canadian reform party, when they cleaned up their image
"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," federation spokesman David Webb said Sunday on CBS's "Face The Nation."

18. Juillet 2010, 16:15:51
Mort 
Sujet: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
Ferris Bueller: Not everyone was behind votes for women.. but they still got the right. Not everyone was behind the working class having a vote.. but the law changed.

18. Juillet 2010, 10:30:58
Ferris Bueller 
Sujet: I don't doubt he said it.

Jim Dandy:  Neither do I.  Lyndon Johnson said a lot of crude and assinine things.  Tapes on him were worse than Richard Nixon at times.  He may have thought he won the black vote with the signing of the Civil Rights legislation, but he also realized that he would loose the Southern white vote for generations to come.  That sadly proved true of my home region.  All of the white racists flocked to the Republican Party in droves.  The GOP did not become the radical right party it is today by accident.  The Weasel is right though, it wasn't always that way.


Say what you want about Johnson being a racist.  It is likely true.  But, he did promote and sign a lot of Civil Rights legislation.  Even my Republican hero, Abraham Lincoln, made some comments that would be deemed as racists today.  He had some doubts about signing the Emancipation Proclamation.  But, the point is that he did it anyway cause it was the right thing to do.  Johnson was also aware of political consequences for signing Civil Rights legislation, but he did it anyway.


18. Juillet 2010, 08:19:41
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
I am Weasel: racist? I don't think he said it with malice, but it was a different time

18. Juillet 2010, 08:18:37
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: not a racist in the bunch eh?
WoW, now that's going from one extreme to the other.......I'd bet they have their fair share, and a couple more

18. Juillet 2010, 08:17:37
Papa Zoom 
I'm not saying the Republican party is totally innocent. But we don't see this same consistent pattern of racism from the Right. We see the opposite. That's also a demonstrable historical fact.

18. Juillet 2010, 08:16:18
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re:
Jim Dandy: LBJ was one of many democratic leaders who were blatant racists.

18. Juillet 2010, 08:15:26
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: I'm not obsessed with anything. Maybe you don't read what's current but this whole racism debate is happening right NOW. It's in the news every day. It's been an issue of the left ever since Obama ran for president.

18. Juillet 2010, 08:14:28
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
I am Weasel: I don't doubt he said it

18. Juillet 2010, 08:14:01
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I've read several blogs of black writers who are active in the tea party events and they have a different view. And since you've probably never been to a Tea Party rally and they have, I'll take them at their word. The facts are a hard thing to swallow sometimes. There is NO EVIDENCE of racism at tea party events. There have been documented situations where people on the left POSED as Tea Party racists. It didn't work. The Tea Partiers ran them out.

18. Juillet 2010, 08:10:24
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Nonsense. Eye witnesses. You're speculating. But decide for yourself. I know a bit of LBJ as president and he was a power hungry man. I believe the quote to be true. It totally fits his character.

18. Juillet 2010, 08:09:10
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: Thanks for your opinion,.......racism is a fact of life,it exists everywhere.Is The Tea Party a racist organisation?
Not in my opinion
Does it attract more than its fair share of racists?
I think it does, but some folks probably only joined cuz they don't like Obama cuz he's black

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