ngsinan: Well, I like to play bridge, but I don't think I like to play bridge on a turn based site. Games on a turn based site should be those games where the current state gives you all the information necessary to play well. For chess for instance, only the current position matters, not how the position was reached (ok, except for the fact whether you are still allowed to castle, and for the 50 moves rule - but the latter hasn't been implemented). For bridge, it's different. By the time you get to play your 10th card, you might be six weeks away from playing the first card - well, then I won't remember whether you played the Jack or not. Besides, it would suck to be the dummy.

Furthermore, there are no 4 player games implemented here anyway.

AbigailII: Sorry to get off topic a little, but for what it's worth, there are games on this site where you have to remember the previous board position to play well. (For example dark chess, espionage).

harmy: That's why I don't play those games.

AbigailII: Actually I prefer dark chess here because I can make notes and look back at the history to figure out all posible positions of pieces.

ngsinan: AbigailII is right here. Bridge is a super game, but you have to take lots of notes to play, which is not good for gaming experience.

4 Player games are great to implement here at BK, Something like Ataxx 4, Halma 4, Dice Poker 4(or even more!) or Ludo 4 where board position matters only, is good to implement at a Turn Based Game Website.

joshi tm: you all are right at some point. Playing bridge online on a turn based site could be a little bit hard but not impossible. You know it is almost done when you finish bids. You know your partner hand and you can guess the opponents' ones. Remembering cards is important for atmost one or two tricks. Anyhow, thanks for your interest. good to hear bridge lovers :)

ngsinan: Even if you remember cards for only one or two tricks, such a trick may be one or two weeks ago - while you may be playing 20 or 40 games in parallel.

Of course, it's not up to me to decide whether or not bridge should appear. But if it does, I doubt I'll play it. And that counts for most card games - they suffer from a similar problem: you need to be able to remember what cards have appeared. Some possible exceptions:

• Cribbage. Normally if you reach 30 the played cards are set aside, but here they could be shown somewhere on the board. (Cribbage is also a two player game...)
  
• UNO, with an "infinite" deck. (So, if dealing any dealt card has a change of 1/108, 2/108 or 4/108 of appearing)
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AbigailII: YES!! UNO should appear! Or something like that due to copyright laws. And rating can just be so as the Ponds system now is.

AbigailII: You could show all the players discards face up; I know it's not the real bridge but what the heck! It's not a major change.

tonyh: Not a major change!! Rubbish! It would not be bridge at all.

pgt: Rather than saying 'Rubbish', etc. why don't you explain why you don't think it is bridge at all. Playing bridge well is far more than just remembering the cards that have been played.

tonyh: Ok - Bridge is not actually a "turn-based: game, There are plenty of good sites on the internet where you can play bridge real time (for example, www.okbridge,com). I play bridge two or three times a week at real bridge clubs with real people, and when somebody takes three minutes to make a bid, it is S L O W !!! Imagine somebody taking two weeks! It just would not work. But go ahead and push for turn-based bridge at three months per hand if you like. I think I will stick to 28 boards per night. I'll stick to backgammon and chess and variants which this site is brilliant at.

joshi tm: Its a shame. Its is the ONE thing that other sites have an advantage over brainking. Well 2 others that i play Goldtoken & BugCafe have 4 player games. I know its been mentioned before, by myself and others.
The only argument i remember was that someone said we should have different BKR ratings for 3, 4 or more player games.
What about 3 or 4 player Chess ? We had that at an old club i went to, but as you say Assim, Ataxx, Ludo and poker are the obvious ones