Star is looking for payment for buttering up to Fencer. Sorry it doesnt work that way. lol.

<What a mind you have to have given birth to "BRAINKING". I personally know that wen a brainstorm takes off, sometimes we leave a wake ( guggles from a ship>..lol). You have done a WONDERFUL job with this site and I was one who fell upon ths site through hear-say. I stuck with you, although there were many times I couldn't access this site for days on end. I finally figured out if I became a member, that may help only my accesss but your site problems.....I hope more and mor users decide to make the trip.....you won't be sorry folk...PLEASE PART WITH A BUCK and buy into a 6 or one year membership.You will get the THE MOST bang for your bucks in record time!!!! This site gas grown into the best site ever.....FENCER, your "Brainking is becoming the BEST SITE on the web and I speak as a Webtv plus user. I wish you all the future luck in the world!!! LOL.....now pass me some good backgammon dice to play, ok?....my ratings are slipping!!..LOL

thanks harley and BBW

I believe they are, Rogue Lion.

BBW: your second answer fits better as any player with correct bkr etc... is welcome. Just strange that the continue button is in the area that says no requirements, and, as I said, there is no way to tell if the requirements that were designated were retained.
In short, I take your answer to mean the requirements are retained even though I continue from the non-specific area.

Maybe I missunderstood what you asked. Eventhing in "Box 1" which includes the BKR & Membership level is "controlled" by the continue button in middle of that box. That would be where it will be put in the waiting room, not choosing your opponenet.

If you hit "Search" in the second box to search for an opponenet, it will bring up the next box.

For example, i put in "Rogue" and then it brings me to the next page where I can choose all the details of the game (Plus choose between 3 different people (rogue, rogue01, or Rogue Lion).

It doesn't create the game yet so feel free to try it out to see if it will give you want you want.

harley: That's my point, the second area, where you set BKR range, pawn-king etc., has no continue button.

Do you mean where you type in a name? You type in a name, then press search. Always click on the box in the area you've chosen to use.
(Open game for any player to accept, type in a name or choose a name from your friends list)

After designating specifics in boxed area 2, do you select continue in boxed area 1? There appears way to tell if specifics are retained.

Nice touch.

Mad Monkey and Stevie would like to thank everyone for the show of support. The tournament I started in there names will continue, but with a twist. They have decided to donate a 6 month Rook membership to the winner of the tournament!!! I will donate a 6 month knight membership to the runner up!!! Thanks again everyone. Sign up's will continue until Wens, April 7th, 2004 8pm EST, 1am GMT. Good Luck to all!!!

Click here to sign up

Bumble didn't bumble it! A good guy!

Yes indeedy. We want to hear you say hallelujah!

And don't forget bumble to arranged it all!

but it already is...

Well said!

Thank you Fencer. That one finger hitting the "unban" button has changed the whole atmosphere of this site in just a matter of minutes. Players are so willing to forgive, forget and get on with the fun of game playing and healthy discussions. YOU have put a smile back on many faces. This is a wonderful site. May this site now forge ahead and become the best game site ever!!!!

Thank you to all who helped bring them back. And thank you, Fencer, for actually hitting the 'unban' button! :)

Welcome back, both of you!

Hey there Stevie and MadMonkey, a BIG welcome back home.... We missed you.

Hope you all have a great Summer.

welcome back Stevie and MadMonkey!! you were both missed a great deal! :o)

I am sure we all are in need of new starts at some time in our life. I know I am LOL

bumble is a hero. Welcome back Hunkey. Welcome back Stevie. I, for one, missed you.

welcome back steve

Welcome Back Stevie :)
Great job Bumble.

PS Sorry Filip

I would like to appologise for any problems caused to members of the 'Angels' Fellowship & harley for what was written in the 'Original' Cave fellowship.
There was no intention of harm meant.

You will notice I am now Stevie, this is a new start and a new name, lets try to go forward and take the site along with us :o) Or would it be the site forward and take us with it??

Anyways, have fun and enjoy your games :o)

Steve
(formerly Steve R)

What a great day!! The sun is shining and 6 days of rain has come to an end:)

The subject is closed.

Welcome back, Ian.

I would like to point out that harley and Fencer contributed greatly to bring MadMonkey back.
Thank you both from me.

I would like to appologise for any distress caused to members of the 'Angels' Fellowship & harley for what was written in the 'OLD' Cave fellowship.
In no way was it said in the manner in which it has been perceived.

Ian
MadMonkey

Fencer,you also said in defense of your game playing,that this is a game site.Well,I work in the fishing industry,and if my customers saw me fishing,rather than fixing their boats....well they'd be just a little upset.

I think it's now safe to say that the $hit has officaly hit the fan....

Fencer,you said I ignored your warnings....are you referring to the times you steped in to stop the conversations about harley?
Did you consider giving me time to log on and say something in defence of your decision?

Yep... whether intentionally or not, i get the same.

When working in a warehouse I was allowed to swear my arse off, not even the women took offense, they joined in could be bluer then the men!!
.. we all laughed!! :)

Erika: That's fine. I hope you understand what I meant. Thanks Pedro :-)

Who was the third?

Fencer has repeatedly said,he relies on harley for cultural interpretation.This is why I maintain the decesion to bann 3 members and close my fellowship was based on tainted advice.

Yes, i hear what you're saying.. and i think that even tho the ppl in question meant no harm by what they posted in your fellowship, it was interpreted differently by Fencer. I find that understandable, but feel that he also needs to realize the way that our various cultures react to different issues.

I can state another example.. in Thailand, they really frown upon public displays of affection. I was talking to my husband about it as we were driving with his sister and brother-in-law, and they about had an accident when my husband reached over and publically showed his affection for me. He and i can laugh off the differences in culture.. and perhaps that needs to be done with the comments made in your fellowship. I'm well aware that something one culture might find humorous, isn't felt the same by all of the rest.

Know that i've also been on the other end of sexual harassment.. i'm not saying that's what occured in your fellowship, as i don't know what exactly was posted.. but those of us who have dealt with it, tend to put up our defenses rather quickly.

Erika,I personally dont think theres a racist bone in Fencers body...but I'm sure you can now see how things that are said,can quickly be taken out of context.Fencer has been subjected to bad...no..vindictive advice,and hey...we all make mistakes.

Thanks Pedro.. and Fencer, i apologize if it seemed i over-reacted to your statement. I get a bit defensive when cultural issues come into the picture, simply because of the situation that i have here at home. It irritates me when ppl are singled out and categorized by their nationality, rather than the person that they are. And sometimes that comes across too strongly on my part, i'm simply used to defending my kids.. and the estrogen flows strongly. ;)

Thanks again Pedro.

I agree with that, my friend. And I'm sure so does Filip.

I very much respect your opinion. What i am saying is that different cultures handle issues as the one in question, in different fasions. I noticed that when we went to Bangkok, even tho the traffic was as bad as NYC, nobody honked their horn. Perhaps we're more impatient here.. but what i am saying is that no culture should be considered better or worse in the way that we handle things. It's a matter of accepting the various cultures.. not singling any out.

Erika, I have to defend Fencer here. I think he didn't mean to say that Czechs are better than the rest of the world (actually, I think we're much worse...lol), he just said it as a fact. It really is truth that nobody offends anybody at Czech boards. The reason of this is simple though...these boards are WAY less frequented than the English ones and people usually write jokes and similar stuff there. ;-)

You wrote: "8) One more thing - it's interesting that there was never such a problem with Czech users. Czech fellowships and discussion boards are full of normals posts, nobody offends anybody. So I could say "okay, let's make BrainKing Czech only, it will solve everything at once!" because number of Czech paying members increases each day.
Of course I won't do it. I like you all. And BrainKing is an international site. But it won't be better with your current attitude."

From a personal point of view, i will explain why i believe this statement is Wrong. I married a man from another country, as you know i'm from the USA. We have dealt with prejudice since we've been together, and our children now deal with it, being that they're Asian-American. It honestly makes me sick when i see anyone make such a blanket statement about any culture. If you're going to have a multi-culturual site, don't cut down or single out any one culture as being worse than others.

I've traveled quite extensively.. i know the feeling that many have towards American's. Ppl think we're rude.. i prefer to call it straight-forward and non-sugar coating.

I have not read the posts from the Cave that are in question, therefore don't wish to make any presumptions. I am simply commenting on the unwarrented prejudicy that i read in your post. I have good relationships with Harley, Rose, MM, and SteveR.. i realize that there were differences in interpretations, which is to be expected, since we're dealing with at least 4 different countries. Heck, my husband and i still sometimes have translation difficulties.. but we take the time to explain what we mean to each other.

Please listen to all sides Fencer. This site has the potential of being the best game/DB site on the net.. don't close doors due to prejudicy.

Thanks for all of the hard work that you put into the site. This is just my 2 cents worth.

Fencer - thanks for posting yourself. It is nice to hear things from you then to hear them second-hand from someone else.

My Question (which may help many others with their questions): Is it my understanding that the 2 in questions will stay banned until the release of BK2.0? And then once BK2.0 is out, they will be allowed to come back.

The user agreement says..

"It is expected that all users who want to post on these discussion boards will do so without making rude comments or issuing personal insults."

It does not say we are bound to, or that people are not allowed to, yet I get the idea that this is about general open boards.

It also says..

"Users acknowledge that designated moderators are in charge of their respective boards.
Moderators have the rites to modify posts with inappropriate material. This includes posts with implicit attacks that might lead to verbal sparring as well as bad language."

It's upto the moderator of the board, which in a club I thought would have been the manager/big boss.

"Moderators will abide by the stipulations of Guildeline #2 before taking additional actions."

"Consequence:

Upon a first infraction, a written warning is given to the user.
Upon a second infraction, the user will be banned from any board or boards in which the violations took place.
Upon a third infraction, the user will be "muted", and unable to post on any board.
Upon a fourth infraction, if the user continues to make overtures through another member posting for him or her, or if links to other websites or other media are provided to give the muted party a "voice", all participating users will be banned from the site."

"Amendment of Guidelines

The BrainKing staff reserves the rite to revise these rules if and when it is deemed necessary.
All such modifications take full force and effect immediately thereafter."

If the rules have been modified then make such ammendments openly known.

I see no rules were broken except that by BK and the person taking the posts out of context.

Looks like someone was using the posts as an opportunity to get a bit of vengence in light of some old grudge!!

But that is my opinion :)

My home address is in your message box,Fencer.I'm sure others will follow shortly.

I would like a refund,if this is your decision.I paid for a membership under false pretenses. ALL the people you banned deserve their money back as well.
This is a sad day for Brainking.