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5. Luglio 2007, 23:55:12
kintori 
Argomento: social contract
We players, when we click a button to play a game on the net sign a social contract with the opponent.
This social contract is a means for the playing field to be level.
It keeps players honest and ethical.
This is even for so for the web venue.
It would appear that is not the case with some players at BRAINKING.
Case-in-point:
A team match was created by a big boss, a player's first team match and being team captain.
Well this player is somewhat of a jester and sent a draw request to his first opponent whom happened to be 100+ points less experienced, this draw request was tantamount to break a leg for an actor
This player never in his wildest dreams believed the opponent would accept
What made it really trouble-some was that the opponent did not consult the team captain nor did he send a query to his opponent as to whether this was in fact a true draw request.
Please keep in mind no move had been made in the game.
Further, this is a chess match to pit chess knowledge against knowledge and it is a team match which puts it in a class higher than single combat.
What this opponent has shown is that he cares nothing about the team, has no respect for other players, and is rude, mean, and empty.
The only reason this was done is because of the protection of the net.
No one can punish him for his acts.

6. Luglio 2007, 00:03:38
alanback 
Argomento: Re: social contract
kintori:  Is there something in the concept of a "game" that escapes you?  You're taking this waaaay too seriously.  Moreover, I would dispute the existence of any "social contract", particularly one in which the terms are dictated by you.

I admit I have no knowledge of the situation you describe, and if I did I might be offended by a player's conduct.  But to elevate this to a moral level is overkill.

6. Luglio 2007, 01:15:25
kintori 
Argomento: Re: social contract
alanback: 6:51 PM

No it is you whom doesn't understand what BRAINKING is about
This is not a game, it is a competition
For points, prestige, honor in ones own mind.
If you still do not understand then open the message smileys
As for the social contract: social contract - an implicit agreement among people that results in the organization of society; individual surrenders liberty in return for protection
Substitute natural desires, with liberty; this is what the opponent of this chess game has done.
He has decided that what he wants is more important the team or how it would effect the player and his team.
He broke the social contract when he acted on his own. And further even if it where not a team event but a single contest he did not check to see if this was a mistake by the player, because he did not want to play someone whom was 100+ points stronger than himself but get the 1/2 point, if you cannot see this then you are just like him.
Bill clinton did the same with the grand jury and bush and company also when they did not count all the votes,
Without this social contract I could reach into your computer and screw you
This did not come out of my head , hume and jefferson of which clinton is also named shaped the social contract
You are wrong to state that it is "
he existence of any "social contract", particularly one in which the terms are dictated by you"
I am just trying to follow, and act ethically there is to little of it in this world today, and it is easier to not on the net.

6. Luglio 2007, 01:26:31
alanback 
Argomento: Re: social contract
kintori:  Thank you for proving my point :-)

6. Luglio 2007, 01:36:18
Eriisa 
Argomento: Re: social contract
alanback: That's ok, we know how to enjoy the game.

6. Luglio 2007, 01:46:26
alanback 
Argomento: Re: social contract
kintori:  I have been flippant in response to your comments, but I urge you to consider whether anyone else takes this so seriously or otherwise agrees with your conclusions.  My perspective may be wrong, but in my view you are wasting your intellectual powers on trivialities.

6. Luglio 2007, 02:38:14
kintori 
Argomento: Re: social contract
Modificato da kintori (6. Luglio 2007, 02:39:48)
alanback:
do you know why socrates took hemlock
i know you do not
do not look it up that would be breaking this social contract that we have started in this dialog

6. Luglio 2007, 02:40:26
goodbyebking 
Argomento: Re: social contract
kintori: General chat.

6. Luglio 2007, 02:51:12
kintori 
Argomento: Re: social contract
Modificato da kintori (6. Luglio 2007, 03:34:29)
emmett:
excuse me: this is not general, it is about addressing a grievance and this is the main discussion board i believed it would reach the correct venue to have the grievance dealt with but obviously i am wrong again as there has been only one person other than myself
once again, another game site that does not care about ethics, morals, or the sensibilities of other players, all you care about is that no one uses ****, ****, **** ,******* ,expletive, on and on really to bad

6. Luglio 2007, 02:45:26
danheg 
Argomento: Re: social contract
kintori: The player that sent the draw request would be the one at fault and not the one who accepted it.   Whether it was a joke (which would have been thoughtless for his/her team)  or a mistake (which can happen I guess even though it has to be confirmed) on the part fo the one sending it,  the decision to accept is not one that affects morality or honor.  The point is not to send a draw offer if it is not meant.  If it is a mistake in sending it,  it is the same as making a mistake in the game.

6. Luglio 2007, 03:12:44
kintori 
Argomento: Re: social contract
Modificato da kintori (6. Luglio 2007, 03:15:05)
danheg: \
this is at the core
player(sender) opponent(receiver)
as the game had not been started ie no moves
moves have to be made before a draw can be asked even GM draws have a number of moves made before the draw is given.
the social contract as such is this
the opponent: one, did this on his own without consulting the team as a whole or the captain, this is a team match
two, there was no attempt to ask the player if this was a mistake.
the second level is this, the ranking difference of 100+ between player and opponent
at the least opponent was just plan RUDE, at the other end he reverse cheated
in that he sandbagged player knowing that the draw offer was not a real offer and accepted so he would not have to play a much stronger player and get a 1/2 win for free. the worst kind of cheater coward
oh he has not yet resoponed though it did take him very long to accepot the draw

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